Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Boyle (financier)

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Boyle (financier) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Not notable, self promotion Mimi Ho Kora (talk) 03:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Mimi Ho Kora (talk) 03:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails notability checks on a number of different levels:

  Fails WP:NPROF: As a Professor of Finance at King's College, decided to start here. I actually found no academic work (maybe I'm searching in the wrong places if someone could check here?) that had any citations at all. I'd argue that a "King's Education Award" from his own employer is not a significant enough award to meet Criterion 2. None of the criteria remotely apply here.

  Fails WP:NBASIC: The article has a Bloomberg article that's behind a paywall that I haven't been able to get around, but it seems like he's the main feature of the story ([1]). Otherwise, this Opalesque article might be reliable? But it's kind of on the edge and appears to be short anyways ([2]). Both of these are already in the article -- I found nothing else, and I searched Newsbank (through my library), EBSCO, JSTOR, Newspapers.com, and Newspaperarchive.com. Honestly went so far because I figured after seeing the Bloomberg piece that there had to be *something* so I've been very surprised. Nomader (talk) 04:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Visiting professorships are frequently given to people with success in the real world and no research experience. The lack of academic work is not unusual, especially not for a field like finance. On his website, Patrick Boyle claims to be a visiting professor, which is different from a professor, also known as a full professor.

  I was able to access that Bloomberg link with Archive.today. The Wayback Machine has been going to crap for years now. https://archive.is/bgRHm Attila412 (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for finding the full Bloomberg article -- it counts towards SIGCOV even though it's mostly about his work and not him, in my opinion, but I think it by itself isn't nearly enough here. Nomader (talk) 15:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Fails WP:NPROF. Spleodrach (talk) 10:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  Delete Newspaper reporter from the 1970s and links to Joshua Boyle are all I can find for this name. No sourcing discussing a financier. Oaktree b (talk) 04:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete not enough in terms of WP:SIGCOV. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Fails WP:NPROF, Fails WP:NBASIC, not enough in terms of WP:SIGCOV. What's the next step in order to wrap this up then, Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimi Ho Kora (talk • contribs) 23:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Next step: wait a few more days for the normal amount of time for one of these discussions to elapse. Someone will be around to close it then. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The infobox lists two books but I suspect they may be aimed at amateur investors rather than academic economists; in any case, I searched but failed to find any published reviews of them, so we don't have a case of WP:AUTHOR, nor WP:PROF. That leaves WP:GNG for his work as an investor, but the discussion above has adequately dismissed that. In any case here I am inclined to apply stricter standards more like WP:ORG for the same reason that the WP:ORG standards are stricter (the often-spammy nature of sources in this area), pushing him even farther from the bar. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Having a SIGCOV article in Bloomberg.com about you is a big deal. I also see other sources using him (although very briefly) as a subject-matter expert, which could push him over meeting NPROF C7: Audioholics [1]^{[note 1]} and CoinDesk [2]^{[note 2]}.