Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paisa paisa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Rcsprinter (orate) @ 11:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Paisa paisa

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Hindi film song that does not claim any notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSONG. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails Notability. -- ɑηsuмaη ^{ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ} 16:13, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to De Dana Dan, the parent article. As WP:NSONG states: "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article." The song has received non-trivial coverage by the Times of India, but that does not establish enough notability to qualify for a separate article.--SGCM (talk) 05:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article in subject is about the song "Kyu Paisa Paisa Karti Hai Tu Paise Pe Kyu Marti Hai". The 2006 film Apna Sapna Money Money has a song "Paisa, Kaisa Kaisa Paisa, Sari Khushi Paisa, Sara Jahan Chahe Ye Paisa, Ha Ha Ye Paisa" which is also credited as "Paisa Paisa". There is also Daler Mehndi's "Paisa Waisa Kaisa, Ek Gal Sach Das De, Tenu Pyaar Chahi Da Ke Paisa" Youtube link which is also credited as "Paisa Paisa". §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per WP:MUSIC to De Dana Dan#Theme song, where this (now-sourced) song is spoken of in context to that film. One addresses the existance of earlier versions of this song by tightening one's search paramaters to "Paisa paisa" , "De Dana Dan" to then find sources which speak toward this particular version being covered in news media in relationship to De Dana Dan, being released before the film, and being considered a chart hit. I gave the article an overhaul to address earlier issues of its format and lacking use of available sources,[1] and pre-emptively included pertinant information at its target,[2] before coming to this discussion. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You did not address the other "Paisa paisa"s in your opinion. Why should there be a redirect when there is ambiguity? Just FYI if you don't know already; almost all songs release before the film does. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good points. ~~I have struck my redirect above.~~ As the song title "Paisa Paisa" has a certain ambiguity, it would be easy enough to set up a disambig page for the term "Paisa paisa" once this AFD is closed. And yes, I have noticed that almost all Indian cinema, whether comedy or drama, offer musical soundtracks that are recorded and released sometimes months before the film even begins shooting. ONCE this AFD is closed, I ~~will~~ could move THIS to overwrite the deleted title. Care to add to it? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good! That's a nice proposal of disambiguation page. But i am not sure if we want to go there yet. Many songs share same first lines or at least the credit titles. Creating such page would mean we are open for a lyrical directory. I personally, being fan of songs, would love to have it. Nothing better than a clean well-sourced well-maintained Antakshari guide for me. But thats not what Wikipedia is. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this might affect more than this article, i have dropped a note at INCINE about this. Wikipedia_talk:INCINE#Disambiguation. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. Per your note at Incline disagreeing with the facility of the disambig page for this name at this time, I am now back to supporting a cheap redirect of THIS title Paisa paisa to the film in which this version of the song title has sourcable context. We can consider a disambig page for the term "Paisa Paisa" if and when someone tries to create another article on this title for other films or singer or game show. And by the by... a proper disambig page is not a catalog page that would fall under WP:NOTCATALOG, specially in this case where the term "Paisa Paisa" is disambiguable to more that just songs in various films. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:17, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So you want to redirect it even after you know that readers might be looking for other songs, even after you know that its ambiguous? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 06:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If a term is declared ambiguous, it is reasonable to have a disambig page that serves readers who search for that term. When I suggested just such a reasonable disambig page you seemed to think it was a good idea, but perhaps premature. Then you went to a different forum, and shot down the suggestion. But your research and then my own show the term "Paisa Paisa" is applicable to more that just a few film songs, and a proper disambig page does not fall under WP:NOT. If you feel a redirect does not serve the reader we can have, per WP:DPAGES and WP:DABNAME, a disambig page that does. IF a disambig page for this ambiguous term is too soon, we can have a redirect. It becomes as simple as deciding which option best serves the reader for this particular term. Pick your poison. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 18:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we have to pick a poison? The subject is not notable for it's own stand alone article. The title has various meanings, just like how almost many words have and hence there is no clear cut redirect. Why should we keep redirect or disambiguation page? Delete is the right answer to it. Just because some user made a stub on it we don't have to keep it. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 19:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

& what do you mean by shot down the suggestion? Do you agree that we should have disambiguation pages for song articles? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn. Do as you like. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agreee that the De Dana Dan song "Paisa Paisa" is not notable enough under WP:MUSIC for its own article. Deletion is anticipated and I am not expecting a keep. My first thought was to send simply send readers to where it is already spoken of in context. But when you pointed out the term was ambiguous, I agreed and then opted for a dab page to address the ambiguity and to offer readers information on that ambiguity and where they might find information on whichever Paisa Paisa they might be seeking. By "shot down" I refer to your statement elsewhere where you wrote "I am against it as this would open opportunities for many more songs which share same titles or first few words." What I "think" after researching the term is that we should have a disambuation page that addresses, Paisa Paisa film songs, Paisa Paisa individual songs, and the Paisa Paisa game show... all of which are verifiable if a reader does a seacrh the term "Paisa Paisa". When this AFD closes I will be bold enough to do just that and await an possible MFD for the Paisa Paisa dab page. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.