Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osvald Helmuth

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The result was Speedy Keep. After the quick and substantial improvement, the nominator withdrew their objection. — CactusWriter | ^needles 15:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Osvald Helmuth

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Non-notable film actor, sources are simply lists and I'm not seeing the critical commentary on his work that I would expect for WP:BIO. MBisanz ^talk 22:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has a full length obituary in the New York Times (in 1966, behind a paywall, so I can't see all of it, but they are speaking highly of him). I found that without any effort, so it should be able to find more, I will poke around.--kelapstick (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The obituary appears not to be "full length", as the NYT page states it is 193 words. Not trivial, but not a long article. ^Bongo_matic 02:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhhh, thanks Bongo. kelapstick (talk) 02:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Non notable? There are a LOT of sources in google books and web search. "I'm not seeing the critical commentary on his work that I would expect for WP:BIO. ". Then ask kindly for it to be expanded Bisanz! Tomorrow I shall write it into a decent sourced article, I am a little confused at the assumptions of the nominator, given the breadth of sources that loom up with a quick google search..... Notability in my view is judged by the level and breath of sources that exist and judged on what the person actually did. Helmuth appeared as a stage actor in many major performances in Copenhagen's main theatres, had a long film career directed by most of Denmark's leading directors of that period and he became a Knight of the 1st order, national recognition for his contribition to his profession in Denmark. similar to actors like Sean Connery and Michael Caine being knighted for their contribution to British cinema by royalty, only Danish actors are seldom known internationally but I'd wager Helmuth was widely recognisable in Denmark and probably some of the other Scandinavian countries. It would seem a quick google search has revealed that he had a 60 year illustrious career (which also saw him involved in films which were nominated for Academy Award for Documentary Short Subject and Palme D'Or and an appearance on Broadway) and is well documented in books/sites about Danish cinema. That to me is clearly good enough. Now if he had only two film to his name and was only mentioned online in an independent blog or myspace or something then he would be non notable.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There are Lots of foreign language sources, unfortunately since I don't speak any other languages I can't dive into them...--kelapstick (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears to have been the subject of a ~~full-length~~ brief but not trivial (193-word) obit by the AP, published by the New York Times (surely amongst other papers). The first sentence is:

Osvald Helmuth, Denmark's greatest musical-hall comic who strode the boards for nearly 60 years, died tonight.

Seems like a mark of notability to me. ^Bongo_matic 23:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. His name appears in English-language studies of film here and there, sometimes reviewed at length, but why should anyone fix an article after arbcom recommended shooting them on sight? NVO (talk) 03:26, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel the irony of your comment. Sadly, perhaps that is what they're hoping for. But acting as if the policies of WP:IMPROVE were ignorable essays does not make it the correct course of action. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with kudos to User:Dr. Blofeld and a school of WP:TROUT to those who would make it somebody else's job to WP:IMPROVE an article through diligent WP:BEFORE. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:06, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I was thinking more along the lines of piranha lunching actually..... Launch Bisanz into the volcano piranha pool on a hook I say. Nah I like him too much to eliminate him.... The article was lacking though and it didn't assert notabilty, he did have a point, but we have thousands of such stubs which need nurturing... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Along with being involved in Academy Award and Palme d'Or nominated films, he'd also pass WP:ENT for starring in multiple notable films too. Lugnuts (talk) 07:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - thank you to Dr. Blofeld for adding a lot to the article! Osvald Helmuth is still, I believe, rather a household name in Denmark. The article now includes information that must be sufficient to speedy keep it; Helmuth was knighted, for one thing, and for another there are several biographical works written about him (not just books where he is mentioned but books about him), as noted in the Literature section. --bonadea contributions talk 12:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep MBisanz has made a number of bad AfD's, few minutes apart, some on articles I had just quickly referenced in the ongoing BLP madness, I didnt even watchlist them so coming here is quite accidental. Mr. Helmuth, and his son, Frits Helmuth, are enormously notable. It seems a pointy, while everybody is scrambling just to reference articles, then overburden the already overburdened AfD. Power.corrupts (talk) 13:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good now, thanks Dr. MBisanz ^talk 14:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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