Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Original Outlet Mall

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Original Outlet Mall

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD: "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." WP:BEFORE showed WP:ROUTINE coverage, but not significant coverage that addressed the subject directly and in-depth or that established it meets NBUILD.   // Timothy :: talk  11:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  11:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  11:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions.   // Timothy :: talk  11:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, notability asserted as first outlet mall in the entire state. Found lots of articles on newspapers.com and will work on improving in the next few days. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Being the first outlet mall in a state is not notable. WP:NBUILD says that ""Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." Routine coverage that any mall would receive is does not establish notability.   // Timothy :: talk  03:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being the first anything is very much a valid assertation of notability. I guess Colonial Plaza, the first mall in Orlando, is suddenly "not notable" and that every single citation in the article is "routine coverage" by your byzantine and contradictory standards. By the way, Colonial Plaza is a Good Article, but I guess in your eyes it's not worth a damn thing and should be deleted too, huh? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: "Being the first anything is very much a valid assertation of notability." It depends on the category. Being one of the first department stores in the United States is notable, being one of the first department stores in Orlando is not. They might be notable for other reasons however and if you provide sources showing how they meet WP:NBUILD by their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, then you have an valid argument. But all your doing is saying WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, using hyperbole, and hurling personal insults.   // Timothy :: talk  05:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where the hell did you get Arizona from? Also, how is "first" not a claim to notability? It's not like it was the first mall in Wyoming, which only has three malls to begin with, or first in the Yukon Territory which currently has none. Literally dozens of mall AFDs prior to this one have shown a consensus that this is exactly the kind of coverage sufficient to keep a mall article. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: You believe it being the first outlet mall in Wisconsin is notable based on personal opinion. I disagree based on WP:NBUILD. If the closer finds being the first outlet mall in Wisconsin is notable and it has encyclopedic value, then it will be kept. FYI, the civil way to write, "Where the hell did you get Arizona from?", is actually, "I think you mistakenly typed Arizona for some reason, the mall is in Wisconsin".   // Timothy :: talk  06:09, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per TPH. Note that the original name was "Factory Outlet Center". Searching on that provides sources about the opening and early development. MB 20:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This topic clearly meets the GNG, even though it has been known under a different name. I am unconvinced that NBUILD will lead to further qualification that this subject is not notable. epicgenius (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The sources above and in the article are all routine run of the mill coverage and announcements. They do not establish notability. Every mall will have lots of routine coverage because they seek it out as advertising. If this type of coverage makes a mall notable, then every mall will be notable.   // Timothy :: talk  02:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for closer: since there is an RfC currently under discussion at AfD about what is considered proper sourcing for determining mall notabiity, it may be worth holding these open until that is finished. If a close is made, it would be very helpful for the RfC if you could explain how you evaluated the sources in terms of notability, routine, run of the mill coverage, and how you feel voting and !voting influenced this AfD. Thank you,   // Timothy :: talk  07:12, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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