Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Lusty

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The result was keep. L Faraone 04:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Lusty

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Large sections of text seem to have been copied from here Mat ty.007 07:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be the same operation as Operation Sea Horse, which has multiple references, such as National Geographic and the Royal Navy. Perhaps a merge is in order... Mat ty.007 12:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The article states it was a part of Operation Livery, which makes no sense, since Livery was a combat operation on the other side of the world in Malaya. Maybe Sea Horse was actually the transportation stage of Lusty. (The article I linked to below about HMS Reaper mentions them both.) The latter has better sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum. I think the author of the Reaper article got the operations mixed up. After the sole mention of Livery, the next paragraph is devoted to Lusty, and Livery is never mentioned again. The National Museum factsheet states that the Lusty finds were shipped to the US on Reaper, and that ship was the transportation used in Seahorse. This forum comment, while not a reliable source, also backs up this connection: "All the above pictures relate directly to the so-called "Operation LUSTY" (from LUftwaffe Secret TechnologY) an effort run by the U.S. Army Air Forces Intelligence Service ... The time frame for the whole peration (sic) was from October 23 1944 to the 15th of December 1945, although the naval part ("Operation Sea Horse") only took from July 20 to July 28 1945." Clarityfiend (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Even though most of that appears to be copied from this factsheet (which is in the public domain I might add) I think it would just need to be re-worded in order to "save" the article. — -dainomite 08:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Merge I have never seen an academic refernce to anything called LUSTY, I seem to recall it was mentioned in a video game. There is no doubt the USAAF had a program to loot Germany for all the good stuff, but I cannot say it was done under this name. I know there are better references for Operation Seahorse, although I somehow suspect this was only the sea movement of captured stuff. There may have been several operations along these lines, but to say it again, I have never encountered LUSTY in my reading. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 08:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum. I know what I am thinking of, Operation Surgeon and Operation Paperclip, which seem to be related to all this. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. The National Museum of the US Air Force and Air Force Magazine think it existed, plus there are books written about it: Watson's Whizzers: Operation Lusty and the Race for Nazi Aviation Technology and A History of the Development of Technical Intelligence in the Air Force, 1917-1947 Operation Lusty. There's an article in something called the Aerospace Power Journal. This article claims that HMS Reaper participated in the operation. That satisfies WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Clarityfriend. No offence to Paul but clearly more reading is needed as I knew about "Operation Lusty" when I was 12 (and no, I hadn't played any video game other than Microsoft Flight Simulator 3.0). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

None taken. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 12:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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