Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ochra Speirochaiti

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ochra Speirochaiti

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Anarchist Greek rock group, refused to sell any records. You start to see where my notability argument's going here already, right? "They followed a strictly anti-commercial tactic, never accepting promotion from mass media." Which is laudable, but sort of does for your AfD chances... Article sourced to blogs, no media coverage. No awards, no significant impact, no gold disks, no chart placements. Nothing but nihilism. Fails WP:MUSICBIO; WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, Politics, and Greece. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't know if they'd want a WP page (it's not mass media, but an encyclopedia made by its users), as another user said, but I agree about the problem of notability. I also created the page, so if there's not at least one "Keep" reply (that also gives reasons for keeping the page) by midnight-Greek time, I will add "{{db-author}}" to the top of the page (requesting speedy deletion), so that it will be deleted. Michalis Vazaios (talk) 16:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After @Alexandermcnabb's suggestion I'll let the page run for its 7 days for a consensus to be reached, instead of deleting it myself.

@Oaktree b There's a bachelor thesis in Greek about the anti-commercial/underground/independent music scene that has the band as its main case study/example. However, I don't think that a thesis in Google Drive counts as a source making the band notable. I will try to look into the thesis's sources for more info. Michalis Vazaios (talk) 17:04, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: The bachelor's thesis is also on the references (in a website, and with citations as @Scope creep wrote) Michalis Vazaios (talk) 17:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is a weak source; I'd give it a pass if we had more sources to use, alone it's not enough I don't think. Oaktree b (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there's a page on Greek Wikipedia but it looks thin. Very little elsewhere. They don't want attention so almost by default they're not notable. It's ok, they wouldn't want a WP page anyway. JMWt (talk) 08:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if they're not into media coverage, it's all OR (original research) which is a no-no here. Unless someone publishes a book about them, I'm afraid there isn't much we can use for sourcing otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 13:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Michalis Vazaios - I'd let it run - it's got 7 days and I've seen very, very strange outcomes from AfD. If nothing else, intellectually, it might be more interesting than just nixing it without discussion! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One of those references is a full thesis which is properly cited and likely constitutes a secondary source. It discusses them quite extensively. As a band that grew up during anti-globalisation movement in Greece in 1980's, they refused to sell their music, so handed it out, manually, all over Greece, so its likely notable. scope_creep^Talk 17:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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