Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Time to Die (song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy/WP:SNOW keep. The rationale proffered for deletion no longer holds, as the song has now been released and received substantial coverage, and the title has been confirmed. BD2412 T 05:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has been created prematurely. While a title song for the film No Time to Die exists, the name of the track is unknown. Sources only refer to a "title track", which can simply mean the song that plays over the title sequence. The article itself is largely devoid of content save for quotes by the artists, film's director and producers exprrssing enthusiasm for the song, which you can find for every James Bond title thene. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 19:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or just redirect to No Time to Die (disclaimer: page creator). Sources like this suggest the song's title, and I don't see a point in deletion when the page will just be recreated very soon. Just let the entry snowball. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: there is nothing in the body of that source to indicate the name of the song. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    Mclarenfan17, Try again. The article specifically says, "As with all her output to date, 'No Time To Die' was written with Billie's elder brother, producer Finneas." You told me, "You need to do more than read the headline of the source," but I think you need to follow your own advice here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment: what are they basing that claim on? The people quoted in the article—Eilish, O'Connell and Fukunaga—only ever refer to it as "the title theme". Given that you can describe "You Know My Name" as the title theme of Casino Royale, this source does not do enough to establish the name of the song. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

      Mclarenfan17, Alright, well I don't think your argument is strong, but I'll let other editors decide. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Solid enough source from Another Believer. Song is notable enough already unheard, just as the movie is notable enough unseen. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the proposal seems to be logically flawed. The argument hinges on two propositions: one, the title is not yet known and two, the critical comments that are cited are insufficient because "...enthusiasm for the song, which you can find for every James Bond title theme... [is inadequate]". Per subsections of WP:Arguments to avoid:

• WP:TOP4 [A]rguments which base notability or lack thereof upon winning, wins, success or popularity make no use of policies or guidelines.
• WP:OTHERSTUFF While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, make a much more credible case.

I'm not of the opinion that it must be non-notable without a fixed title, so am !voting keep. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: they are not "critical comments". They're comments from people involved in the film and song hyping it up. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 19:59, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The movie's coming out in April; it would be silly to delete the article in February only to recreate it two months later. This may be TOOSOON, but not by that much. If there's no independent coverage by the summer, then we could look at it again. -- Toughpigs (talk) 20:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to No Time to Die: I actually agree with the nominator that this is WP:TOOSOON. I understand the keep voters and this article will inevitably be recreated in a few months, but WP:TOOSOON should be applied to all articles equally. I do not think the current coverage is strong enough for a standalone article since the information could be contained in the music subsection in the No Time to Die article. I think a redirect would be helpful because it keeps the article's history so it can be recreated in the future. I would not be opposed to a draftify though either. Apologies for breaking the consensus forming above. Aoba47 (talk) 21:37, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Changing my vote now that the song is released. Aoba47 (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect - per WP:TOOSOON. Very little content, and what little there feels padded and drawn out, like trivia on being the youngest person to do a Bond song. Can easily fit as a short section at the film article until there’s enough to warrant a spinout. Sergecross73 msg me 03:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Update: The song has a confirmed release date. I'd consider this discussion moot. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47 and Sergecross73: Just curious if you care to revisit given the release date has been confirmed. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. The release date is still 2 months out, and my main concern was more about the lack of content to warrant a split. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sergecross73, Huh? Feb. 13 is the release date. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, I mistook it for the films release date. Sergecross73 msg me 16:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the update. I would still wait until the song is actually released and the subsequent media coverage is published before I change my stance. On a different topic, I would be consistent with the formatting for dates (either Month/Day/Year or Day/Month/Year). I am not sure which would be the best since Eilish is an American artist but Bond is a distinctly British property. Aoba47 (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47, Sounds good. Just FYI, the song's been released, so I'm sure more coverage (even with critical reception) will be published as soon as tomorrow. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:37, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep: The song has already been released. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 00:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep – Song has been released, content has already been added to the article. This entry should be taken down ASAP. Aria1561 (talk) 00:51, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Per reasons above. JE98 (talk) 04:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.