Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niles McKinley High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was uhhhhhhh...no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 16:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The school's football program is illustrious, as well as their speech team. Plus if someone wants to make a page for their school why should it matter to you guys. If it bothers you then just ignore it.

Not notable per WP:Schools. Vectro 02:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Ditto. Wikipedia is not a scoreboard. Sr13 02:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Thanks, TruthbringerToronto, for informing me of the change. There needs to be work done on this article, but this article is acceptable. Sr13 01:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above.--Húsönd 02:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. WP:SCHOOLS is not policy. - Lex 03:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Cleanup would be my first choice, as schools do tend to be notable. But if nobody is up to the task, delete as having no real content. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Struck vote, it has been expanded slightly. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as stub. Someone can always find something to say about a high school. Gazpacho 03:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Notability of high schools has long been a contentious subject. I reside in the camp that believes they are not inherently notable. It's clear here (insofar as I can see) that there is nothing that sets this school apart from all others. -- tariqabjotu 03:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless something other than the record of the football team can actually be said about this school. Resolute 04:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I couldn't find an official site for the school itself, but I added some text and two references. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 05:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep While this article needs a thorough editing and expansion, we have come to near-complete agreement that high schools are inherently notable. Alansohn 05:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per my belief that secondary schools are inherently notable, the article can be expanded. Yamaguchi先生 07:49, 10 October 2006
• So it's a school and it has a football team. Oh, and the mayor went to it. (Surprise, surprise.) Unless every school in the world is entitled to a Wikipedia entry (a view with which I have some sympathy), delete. Emeraude 13:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the consensus that has emerged every time someone tries to start another 'schools war' - that high schools are inherently notable due to their size. Plus the fact that the strong possibility that a POTUS went there means that (regardless of whether you agree that high schools are notable or not) it is imperative we keep it until this can be verified or disproved. Cynical

Comment: William McKinley, did apparently not go to this High School, so this can be struck (he was born in Niles, but moved at an early age to Poland (the city in Ohio, that is :-) ) [1]. Fram 15:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Actually, it is never imperative that anything be kept while awaiting verification. That is, in fact, a vioation of one of Wikipedia's core policies. The burden is on the editor to verify what is written before the article is created/edited. Resolute 15:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There is no consensus that all highschools are notable. Many of these AfDs are closed as no consensus. JoshuaZ 18:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete: I have the (minority) opinion that high schools aren't automatically notable, but I agree that the chance that they are notable is much higher than for primary schools (for starters, there are fewer high schools). If some more interesting info can be found, i would not strongly oppose keeping it. As it stands now, it is still a delete in my book. Fram 15:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the minority dissent at WP:SCHOOL; viz., another nn school. Eusebeus 15:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets all relevant content policies. No problem with merging the article if it remains in its current state. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Nothing special about this high school. I guess that I'm part of that minority. --Maelnuneb (Talk) 18:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge up to Niles, Ohio; do not in any event keep. This is what WP:SCHOOLS suggests, and, well, let's start doing it. We don't have an uninformative stub, but we do have a useful pointer and all of the info. I don't see any reason we shouldn't be doing this. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge, but do not keep outright per Black. -- Kicking222 21:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- William McKinley actually moved out of Niles because his family wanted to be in a community where there was more than an elementary school. His father, William McKinley Sr., by the way, was on the equivalent of the board of education in Niles. WP:SCHOOLS is not a policy as has been said and high schools are inherently important. That crazy poet in Niles apparently grew up there and may have gone to the school, but I couldn't find anything on that on the Web.Noroton 21:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep While this article needs a thorough editing and expansion, we have come to near-complete agreement that high schools are inherently notable. SchmuckyTheCat 22:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is a gross overstatement to claim "near-complete agreement" that all high schools deserve their own encyclopedia articles, regardless of how ordinary they are.Edison 15:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and expand per Yamaguchi and Christopher Parham. RFerreira 00:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets content policies. JYolkowski // talk 01:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep --Vsion 02:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per schoolwatch flood above --ForbiddenWord 14:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As has already been pointed out to you, organized vote stacking is not a reason to keep. JoshuaZ 18:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• DeleteThe article does not present evidence of notability, although it sounds like an ok school. I do not subscribe to the notion that all high schools are notable, any more than all elementary schools, all churches, all supermarkets, or all post offices are. The information here could just as well be presented in an article about the town. Come back and insert an article when there is an article with important verifiable facts leading us to the conclusion that the school is notable. Edison 15:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per A Man In Black and the reasoning of Edison. Pan Dan 17:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, subject is notable (all high schools are) and the article is well on its way. bbx 18:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete The presence of a congressman could be considered some sort of claim of notability but otherwise there is nothing even at all remarkable about this school. JoshuaZ 18:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.