Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nhat Nam (martial art)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nhat Nam (martial art)

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Contested Prod. Only two references for this "not well known" martial art. One reference is for a school that teaches it. The other is in lithuain and when translated appears a small blurb for more classes. Only references I can find seem to all be schools that teach this and not many of them. So far have not been able to find a single independent refernce to this "historic" martial art. Ridernyc (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. So, it's a Vietnamese martial art with hundreds of years of history, known only to the nation's elite, and now practiced in... Lithuania? That's the sort of thing you'd expect would attract at least a little attention, if true. But there's nothing out there. Searches for Nhat Nam/Nhất Nam/Nhất-Nam are deeply unproductive. The Vietnamese Wikipedia has an article at Nhất Nam, which may be about the same martial art (it certainly has a bunch of Lithuanian external links). But it has a different history, claiming to have been created in 1983 in Hanoi by Ngô Xuân Bính. That's at least more credible. Regardless, that article is also dreadfully unsourced, and nothing there is even a little helpful in demonstrating notability for an article here. Unless there are some compelling reliable sources that I just cannot find -- which is possible, as my ability to search Vietnamese-language material is less than ideal -- this lacks sufficient notability for inclusion. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The VNA source is short, but clearly the sort of thing we're looking for. I think the the VN Express article looks acceptable, as well. I'm less certain about the quality one of of the other links, but regardless, it seems that I dropped the ball on sourcing this time. Plenty out there! ~~Striking my delete,~~ Supporting retention now, but noting that our article needs a wholesale rewrite regardless (this is not an ancient tradition, but a modern one). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten it as a more accurate but very brief stub with references. This was also necessary because the original version was a blatant copyvio from http://www.nhat-nam.co.uk/about_nhat-nam.html. Voceditenore (talk) 17:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.Here is another link. http://tnhvietnam.xemzi.com/en/group/show/357/Nhat-Nam-Giap-Nhat---Vietnamese-Traditional-Martial-Arts-Club i am not good too to search in Vietnamese, but it is definitely the same martial art mentioned in Vietnamese wikipedia teosm (talk)

We need independent links that show the history and development of this Martial Art. Links not associated in anyway with anyone who is selling any product or classes related to this. Ridernyc (talk) 14:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ~~Comment~~ It's a little easier to search if you use a Google image search simply on "Nhat Nam". I was able to find the following news stories: [1], [2], [3] (this one's in Spanish on the Vietnam News Agency site). The other two are in Vietnamese. Apparently, it's really big in the countries of the ex-USSR bloc because one of its masters, Ngo Xuan Binh, is a long-time resident of Russia. He's also mentioned in the Vietnamese Wikipedia article [4]. I think I'll ask WikiProject Vietnam for their input. Voceditenore (talk) 15:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was also a feature on Niat-Nam (as it's called in Lithuanian) in the online version of the Lithuanian paper 15 min [5] and a feature on the Vietnamese-language pages of Voice of Russia [6]. Voceditenore (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been notfied to WikiProject Vietnam. - Voceditenore (talk) 15:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Viet Nam News has a lengthy article on this subject in English. Kauffner (talk) 18:04, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Comment I am sorry i am not very good as you in posting the right way, some vietnamese friends just sent me some other links:

teosm (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

None of the links in that list are appropriate sources, or evidence of notability - they're to YouTube and blogs, and a site not independent of the subject (Swiss Nhat-Nam Association). However, we already have a sufficient number of reliable sources to justify a keep in my opinion. (I've also struck your second "Keep". You can't !vote twice.) Voceditenore (talk) 05:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 23:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think there's enough coverage in Vietnamese sources to support the claim that this meets WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 03:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.