Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New World Tour

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The result was Delete as the tour is not confirmed yet as stated in the article, thus violating WP:CRYSTAL --JForget 23:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New World Tour

Violates WP:CRYSTAL and article clearly states that it hasn't been officially confirmed, making verification by reliable sources impossible. Claims that Gene spoke of a tour are not cited and wouldn't indicate the content and claims of the article anyway. Pharmboy (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm going to start lobbying for 'crystal ball violation for album or concert tour' as a CSD category.Kww (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, crystalballing for a start. I'd probably be willing to support such a CSD category but it'd have to be clear and objectively defined. Someone suggested a speedy category for any article that asserts non-notability, in the WP:NFT league, once, and I thought that was interesting. As for this, I'm not even sure we should have articles on individual tours at all, unless they have some real special significance, and when they haven't even happened yet, that means I think they're even less appropriate. Articles about band or artist tours can be merged to the album that they're touring in support of, or to the main artist page, depending on context - I think most such tour articles should be like this. For example, A Bigger Bang Tour is a big article and kinda messy, longer than the album article A Bigger Bang.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 00:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't care about this Kiss future tour article, but you're wrong to denigrate tour articles in general. To pick your example, the Bigger Bang Tour was the highest-grossing concert tour in history, and was seen by far more people than bought the Bigger Bang album. Groups like the Stones make most of their money from touring now, not releasing records. So the tour article being longer than the album article is quite appropriate. In many cases for veteran artists, the album supports (i.e., gives an excuse for) the tour, not the other way around. And if you look at the earlier Rolling Stones tours, they occurred on a fixed three-year rotation schedule between US, UK, and Europe and were independent of album releases; you couldn't possibly merge those tours into album articles. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right there - I chose a bad example as that tour is probably more notable than many others. Still there are many less notable tours.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 23:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per above. I don't object to tour articles, but concert tours must have either secondary sources establishing freestanding notability (beyond from the band's notability) or else sufficient sourced, non-WP:CRYSTAL information to justify a spinoff article; otherwise these are WP:FANCRUFT, and in the case of future tours, promotion. New World Tour lacks either, and I doubt evidence is likely to emerge proving this notable beyond "another Kiss tour". / edg ☺ ☭ 19:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.