Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. I'm going out on a limb and closing this as Delete as there have been two relistings without further participation. But I find those arguing that this article is inappropriate are more persuasive even though I don't see a consensus to Delete (or a consensus for any outcome). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar)

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The Nationalist Congress Party of India has recently undergone a split, forming two factions. The faction led by Ajit Pawar has been recognized by the Indian Election Commission as the legitimate heir to the NCP name. Sharad Pawar's faction has been order to take a new name for upcoming 2024 elections. Since the Sharad Pawar faction no longer has the right to use the NCP name, this article claiming NCP lineage seems to be problematic at best. A new article about the new faction can be started when they've chosen a name, but that new article should not make it appear to still be the NCP. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and India. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No,We will redirect this page after name is selected. Qzgjeth (talk) 13:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After NCP name and Clock symbol given to Ajit pawar, ECI has given Sharad Pawar faction name "NCP - Sharad Chandra Pawar" , so this considers as different political party, like Kerala congress has many factions and name Mahesh Chhanga 78 (talk) 13:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Qzgjeth and Mahesh Chhanga 78: The problem is that the article's content refers to the NCP, whose continued existence falls under the Ajit Pawar faction. This new party is a new thing, and while we can note that it devolved from the original NCP, it has to be written about as a new thing, with no history past the 2023 split. Implications that this new thing existed prior to 2023 are incorrect. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes this page should have only name NCP and original NCP history with president as Ajit pawar and NCP Sharad Chandra Pawar on separate page Mahesh Chhanga 78 (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: What legal rights to a political party's name someone has doesn't matter for Wikipedia. What matters is what reliable sources refer to the party as. The AfD doesn't make a case for deletion, it makes one for renaming the article. Cortador (talk) 14:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Cortador: In this case, I believe WP:TNT applies. The article is false from its outset. The bulk of the content and citations of the article are about the legitimate Nationalist Congress Party, not this offshoot organization. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete article can be recreated when whatever name they've chosen is finalized. Oaktree b (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Election Commission has approved a new name — the ‘Nationalist Congress Party-Sharadchandra Pawar’ — for NCP chief Sharad Pawar’s faction.

Source:https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/sharad-pawars-group-now-called-nationalist-congress-party-sharadchandra-pawar/article67821766.ece Lionel Messi Lover (talk) 01:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retain: Reliable Sources like The Hindu, Hindustan Times and many other news portal cites that The Election Commission has approved a new name — the ‘Nationalist Congress Party-Sharadchandra Pawar’ — for NCP chief Sharad Pawar’s faction and also sought a ‘banyan tree’ as its election symbol. Source:[1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionel Messi Lover (talk • contribs) 8 February 2024 1:20 (UTC)
Comment The point of this deletion discussion (at least my point in initiating it) is not that the new party is not notable, but rather that the article, being an almost verbatim copy of the Nationalist Congress Party article, is completely incorrect and will need to be rewritten from the ground up. If the article is retained, that will still have to happen. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of this could be included as a footnote in the main Nationalist Congress Party article Block345 (talk) 17:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:45, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.