Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moshi Monsters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete - the copyvio issues and WP:GAMEGUIDE concerns are quite valid. Recreation OK, as long as it's written independently and not a copy-and-paste. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moshi Monsters

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Contested PROD. Article does not any verifiable, third-party sources that can establish why this game may be notable. In addition, article borders on advertising/spam but not blatant enough in nature to warrant speedy deletion per G11. MuZemike (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MuZemike (talk) 17:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• delete no sources. Jessi1989 (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• weak keep I added a reliable source (Computeractive) and a few other sources are available. But being a new concept it may still fail WP:N The new sources are (just) enough to show WP:N. Oh and rewrite to remove the WP:GAMEGUIDE violation. --triwbe (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• weak keep It seems to comply with Video Game article guidelines It needs sources, more wikifying, and to show why it passes WP:N, but being a recent video game, I say give it a chance at least for now. Meisfunny Gab 18:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete looks like a copy-vio of a game guide, without more reliable sources, it warrants G11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Numyht (talk • contribs) 20:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you know what guide it is, and can you provide a link? If there is a copyvio (my guess that it wouldn't), then this would meet G12 (copyright infringement). MuZemike (talk) 02:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, but it looks ripped from the help page --Numyht (talk) 16:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • It does seem that, from comparing the article with the FAQ page of the Moshi Monsters website here, portions of the article were copy-and-pasted from the website which is a copyright of Mind Candy, Ltd.. Hence, I will tag the article as a potential copyvio and will report this to WP:CV. And if it is found that the article happens to be was created/edited by the copyright holder, then he/she will have inadvertently admitted to blatant advertising. MuZemike (talk) 17:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The game has been subject to a three-part 'atlas' overview on Worlds in Motion, part of the Game Developer/Gamasutra stable: [1] [2] [3]. There's a few pieces on Massively, including an interview. There's something of a stink regarding the moblie phone 'thing' on the Guardian here, it's also featured in a podcast from the Guardian (lost the link), there's a piece on Tech Crunch about the fledgling business. The only reason we have such trouble covering MMOs is that nothing remotely reliable has acknowledged their existence for years, now that gaming publications have finally woken up and started covering them we'll hopefully be able to have more MMO articles in better shape. Someoneanother 02:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. This is just a black tag, and no contents. I would see it as delete.--Freewayguy ^{What's up?} 23:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can read the content if you click on the edit button. The {{copyvio}} replaces all the content on the page with the tag, but the content is kept and placed under hidden quotes, which you will see when you click to edit. MuZemike (talk) 01:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MuZemike (talk) 15:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Rewrite and keep Delete, without prejudice to a future article As per someone another. There are reliable third-party references here that will allow this article to be written without violating copyright or WP:SPAM guidelines. But there's not much in the current article that can be salvaged. Randomran (talk) 15:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this WP:GAMEGUIDE without prejudice to a future article. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment — I might have mentioned this before shortly, but we could also speedily delete the article under G12 (blatant copyright infringement) with no prejudice toward recreation. Most people seem to agree that a complete rewrite is necessary, and, while not a popular route to go, can get the ball rolling on a better rewrite of this article. However, I understand that it might be considered gaming the system, so it might be better to keep in that sense and let the copyvio problem work itself out. MuZemike (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.