Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monty Python and the Holy Grail in popular culture

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Most of this article is an assortment of pop culture references and random listings, which violates what Wikipedia is WP:NOT. There is some decent legacy at the top of the article, but the parent article (Monty Python and the Holy Grail) is at a decently fine page size (57,000 or so bytes), making a WP:SIZESPLIT unnecessary. While this film had a large legacy, the coverage on it does not appear to be so vast that a split from the parent article is needed and is better covered at the parent, per WP:NOPAGE. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film, Popular culture, and United Kingdom. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 18:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge the filmmaking section to the main article and run away from the rest, which are all just trivial examples of "borrowing" things from the film. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I agree with Clarityfiend that nothing outside the "Filmmaking" section is worth retaining, and I agree with Pokelego999 that it would be better to cover the relevant information at the parent article per WP:PAGEDECIDE. That being said, what exactly would we merge? The information in the "Financial legacy" subsection is already at Monty Python and the Holy Grail#Development, and the subsequent "Impact on television and filmmaking" subsection is pretty poor. I could maybe see using the cited "How Monty Python and the Holy Grail Influenced Film by Satirizing It" article from The Atlantic and possibly the cited "45 Years Ago: Monty Python and the Holy Grail Changes Comedy Forever" article from Ultimate Classic Rock (is that outlet WP:Reliable for this kind of content?), but in that case I wouldn't use the current content but rather start over from scratch in summarizing those sources. The rest of that subsection is either sourced to this article from Screen Rant (not a source we should be using here, see WP:RSP/VALNET), this article from The Daily Telegraph about the show Disenchantment that briefly mentions Monty Python and the Holy Grail as an inspiration, or completely unsourced. Even the best sources currently cited here are way below the quality I would expect could be found for this topic, so surely we should locate better sources and use those instead. As far as I can tell there is no need to keep the edit history for attribution (WP:CWW), and I don't think the title is worth keeping as a redirect. So I don't really see anything to WP:PRESERVE here and no other strong case for any particular WP:Alternative to deletion. Maybe I'm missing something, but at the moment I don't see why we would merge or redirect instead of simply deleting this. TompaDompa (talk) 21:14, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's extra financing info here that isn't in the main article: specific amounts contributed and the other two label backers. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • I suppose, though I consider the exact figures to be minutiae and three record companies, including Charisma Records, the record label that had released Python's early comedy albums to be about as good as additionally naming Chrysalis Records and Island Records outright. These are details I wouldn't necessarily include if I were writing it from scratch. TompaDompa (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I have no preference on whether this article is redirected, deleted, or merged. Whatever consensus shall be on that, I'll go with it. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 22:58, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I thought that Monty Python and the Holy Grail was popular culture. Is it not popular any more? ☺

  I really do not understand why the article creator made this page in the first place. Nothing was split out of the main page. The article creator has not touched the main page at all. (The "see also" was wikignomed in by someone else.) It seems a total duplication of effort to no good end. Plus, a lot of the content here is things that "are similar to" MPATHG, a lot of which is highly suspect. Eric Idle was not the first person ever to say "Bring out your dead!", which a lot of this content seems to think to be the case. I agree with both Clarityfiend amd TompaDompa on what little there is to merge, and with the latter on perhaps working from scratch from better sources in any case.

  Uncle G (talk) 18:46, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I think we could merge what's well-referenced in this article into a new article named Cultural impact of Monty Python (based on similar articles like Cultural impact of Star Wars and Cultural impact of Dragon Ball); a Google search reveals more sources talking about the impact of the Pythons as a whole ([1], [2], [3]). -insert valid name here- (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • There already is Monty Python#Cultural influence and legacy. Probably better to work on that rather than creating a new article. TompaDompa (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]