Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mizraab (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 09:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mizraab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Notability doesn't established, fails to meet WP:MUSICBIO and WP:NBASIC, 28 sources, all are interviews, primary, not working, irrelevant, no in-depth coverage in reliable sources, award section is empty, name drops with Faraz Anwar, also take part in: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faraz Anwar M.Ashraf333 (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, and Pakistan. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep easy pass of WP:NMUSIC. There is so much about this band. Perhaps, we should WP:SMERGE List of Mizraab band members to this article. A major band in Pakistan, no way we can delete this. 2400:ADC1:468:400:7DD6:C651:21F1:A243 (talk) 08:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also related articles, Mizraab discography and List of songs recorded by Mizraab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:ADC1:468:400:7DD6:C651:21F1:A243 (talk) 08:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the 70s, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rainbow to Pakistani bands like Junoon, Noori and Mizraab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2400:ADC1:468:400:7DD6:C651:21F1:A243 (talk) 08:42, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mizraab released their album, Panchi, which was well-received by their growing cult following
• Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 2400:ADC1:468:400:7DD6:C651:21F1:A243 (talk) 08:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 17:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep meets WP:BAND - in particular prominent representatives of a notable style in Pakistan. Coverage is available in several sources per WP:PKRS. Also secondary coverage in WP:RS books: We'll Play Till We Die Journeys Across a Decade of Revolutionary Music in the Muslim World and Heavy Metal Islam Rock, Resistance, and the Struggle for the Soul of Islam. ResonantDis_tortion 09:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Further evidence The Herald in 2005 stated here that Mizraab was, for a while, the most famous band in Pakistan. Easy pass WP:Band#7. ResonantDis_tortion 07:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:Band#7, Representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city, of what? and the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, does it do that? M.Ashraf333 (talk) 08:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion such as books and national newspapers so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Multiple reliable sources coverage, 1: an interview with one passing mention, 2: one passing mention in rock music history related article, have no significance in-depth coverage. The refs on the article's page are already mentioned, primary, unreliable and YT videos. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Which of the sources provides in-depth coverage? My reading of the sources linked above is that they lack sufficient depth about the band. MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Source Assessment. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68243			Member's interview	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20111001003607/http://www.pakipop.com/reflection/cookin.html			List of bands performed in a show	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110723205457/http://www.metalkingdom.net/album/22061_mizraab_panchi			List of songs of Band's album	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20100413223209/http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/culture/03-Strumming-through-history-ss-01			Pakistani rock music history	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110526075414/http://www.rewaj.com/entertainment/indus-music-to-hold-first-pop-music-awards.html#			Listing of award nomination	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110720025318/http://www.epidemie.cz/dusk/DUSK_Jahilia/interview.htm			Interview	✘ No
http://www.mizraabianz.com/v3/chris-ruel-mizraab-mhm/			Own website counts as primary, but not working	✘ No
https://saadshakeel.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/top-5-under-rated-bandsartists-from-pakistan/			To band listing promotional blogpost	✘ No
https://jang.com.pk/thenews/feb2007-weekly/nos-18-02-2007/instep/article3.htm				✔ Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEBdBzdjGRQ			YT video not available	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110816140856/http://www.indus.tv/newsite/script/2nd_ima.html			Award listing primary	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20140924040515/http://www.paklinks.com/gs/printthread.php?t=179977#			Award nomination	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20111009183241/http://pakstop.com/pmforums/showthread.php?t=14958			Forum post	✘ No
https://jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2007-weekly/nos-05-08-2007/instep/downlaodthisweek.htm			Songs of the week listing	✘ No
http://www.pakium.com/2009/05/05/mizraab-wont-release-its-album-until-times-get-better-faraz-anwar			Not working	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20121012120018/http://jang.com.pk/thenews/may2008-weekly/nos-04-05-2008/instep/mainissue.htm			Awards music nominations	✘ No
http://www.pakium.com/2009/06/13/faraz-anwar-speaks-on-the-guitar-idol-experience-and-why-he-had-to-pull-out-of-the-show			Not working	✘ No
https://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=298242	?	?	Mizraab song	✘ No
http://www.pakium.com/2010/03/29/mizraab-new-lineup-2010			Not working	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110820163320/http://marketspost.com/coke-studio-season-4-episode-1-promo/			dead link	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWuENLw2x2g			YT video song from unofficial channel	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-vQywosqrE&hd=1			YT video song from unofficial channel	✘ No
http://tribune.com.pk/story/174353/coke-studio-episode-1-maestros-and-mishaps/			Song listing of a show	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUx8dIgkSEA			YT video song from unofficial channel	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltpty7dEUSs			YT video song from unofficial channel	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20110809164552/http://www.playtv.com.pk/news/music-news/216-an-insight-look-faraz-anwar.html			Interview	✘ No
http://tribune.com.pk/story/212340/coke-studio-4-concludes/			Mention in a list of singer performed in a show	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Regarding the table 404s can be fixed using internet archive so dismissing a source because it is 404 is not a valid analysis, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed now. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Due to source analysis above, which shows only one qualifying reference. And the focus of that reference is the guitarist Faraz Anwar who already has a separate article. I'm happy to reconsider if additional sources are found. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep easy pass of WP:NMUSIC. Lightburst (talk) 16:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you please explain on what criteria it meets WP:BAND? M.Ashraf333 (talk) 05:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - as per the excellent assessment table above. Fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Article referencing at time of AfD initiation was poor. However several independent reliable sources are referenced in this AfD which clearly demonstrate a national level of notability (both in 'fame' and musical impact). Several of these references have subsequently been added to the article. It should be noted that none of these are presently included within the source assessment table. ResonantDis_tortion 23:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Multiple independent reliable sources should have non-trivial coverage to address the topic in detail per WP:SIGCOV. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 15:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails GNG and BAND. Nothing in the article shows SIGCOV from IS RS and source eval shows this. The above mentions new sources added to the article so here they are:
• [1] is a brief tongue in cheek mention, nothing SIGCOV;
• [2] is a grand total of 13 word, not about the subject but an opinion about a song, 13 words is not indepth and opinions do not establish Notablity;
• [3] quotes in reference show this is not SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
• [4] is the extent of the coverage, nothing that meets SIGCOV.

These are the best references for the subject and they all fail IS RS with SIGCOV nothing addressing the subject directly and indepth. BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  06:04, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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