Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister Global

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There are three calls to delete against one to keep. The main dispute appears to be the sourcing. There is some coverage in sources that are independent of the subject - the AfD nominator found one such source, which though it may be a complaint against the subject, does cover it. There has been some discussion regarding just which of the sources do cover the event. However, after eliminating those which appear to have used in error, there are still several sources left. That the event is termed "Global", but is actually Asian, is not a valid rationale for deletion, otherwise there would be questions raised about the World Series. The quality of the sources and the amount of significance of the coverage has also been questioned. One source does appear to be a blog. However, Thai Rath has covered the event using three paragraphs, and other sources have also mentioned it. I don't think, however, that the case has fully been made that the event is notable, but nor has the case been made that it isn't, so there is No consensus to delete the main article. The two sub-articles Mister Global 2014 and Mister Global 2015 both lack reliable sources, so after closing I will redirect those titles to the parent article. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 14:02, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mister Global

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG. Googling the sites of seven major Thai news outlets, both Thai and English, reveals only one mention in Thai Rath from 25 March, reporting on criticism of the event.[1] Google News gives only coverage of the death of the Malaysian contestant. Also nominating the following articles for deletion:

Mister Global 2014
Mister Global 2015 Paul_012 (talk) 10:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Just because it's not the usual tits, teeth and high heels pageant doesn't mean it deserves an article on here. If it's Mr. Global then where is global coverage? Mabalu (talk) 15:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - Given the plethora of unencyclopaedic pages on things that people happen to like, an article on a new pop culture event should be verified by reliable sources, not just advertising material from the promoters. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 02:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources added. Its big news in only select countries, such as Vietnam and the Philippines, particularly when somebody from one of these countries wins. Guys have watched beauty pageants of women for many years; time for the gals to have their fun.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "reliable sources" are flat-out ridiculous: Eton B. makes a single passing mention of "Mister Global". Julie M. Aurelio, The Philippine Star and Philippines Daily Inquirer write about COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PAGEANTS (!!!check the names and dates!!!) with no mentions of this "Mister Global" competition. The only one to properly address the subject (VOVNEWS) looks like a non-descript entertainment blog and offers no indication of the size or significance of the event.
As for it being "time for gals to have fun", I can't understand how an atrociously mis-referenced article about a minor pageant with virtually no news coverage will provide any delight for Wikipedia's female readership. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 04:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The sources all refer to people who were in the Mister Global pageant. Removal of these sources by Suriel1981 -- in an article up for deletion -- constitutes in my view, borderline vandalism. Let reviewers and the closing admin decide whether the references are legitimate. Since I do not edit war, I will not keep adding the sources but a referenced version of this article can be found here in a sandbox. I urge all reviewers to take this into account.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:14, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Check the dates and the names, for goodness sake!! They don't come close to matching up. Anyone can make a mistake, but making three in a row and using it as an argument in an XFD is pretty sloppy. If you fancy reporting me to the powers-that-be for vandalism then go for it. But they are going to tell you to read your sources before citing them. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 12:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removing sources, on articles up for deletion, is in my view, bad form. Let reviewers and the closing admin decide their merit. Also, noting that the Mister Global pageant is big not only in the Philippines but in Vietnam. Sources are here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC) Also, the event is getting coverage in Serbia.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cut out the crap. You inserted several citations which clearly referred to different events on different days. If you'd read the damn things, you'd have known that. And you've since claimed "It does not matter whether each reference is focused on a different pageant (since contestants typically enter different pageants)". I have to call your judgement into question if you genuinely believe that is acceptable editing. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 13:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember no personal attacks and to assume good faith. About the removed references: the Manila Standard said Joseph Doruelo took the title Mister Global Philippines along with the Philippine Daily Inquirer said Mister Global Philippines Joseph Doruelo and The Nation said Mister Global Philippines Joseph Doruelo. These references all pertain to the article up for deletion -- about Philippine contestant Joseph Doruelo being in the Mister Global pageant. Are the references perfect or ideal? No, but few references are, and removing them when an article is up for deletion seems highly unfair.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:16, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are either a liar or illiterate. Mister Global 2014 (the inaugural Mister Global event) took place on March 27, 2014 in Pak Chong. As for your "sources": Julie M. Aurelio and Philippines Daily Inquirer refer to an event on September 7, 2014 in Makati and a future event in South Korea , The Philippine Star refers to an event on November 30, 2013 in Greenhills.
Conclusion - either you are incapable of reading the articles you are trying to cite or you are simply lying about it in a desperate attempt to save face. Either way, you've shown total ignorance and contecmpt for Wikipedia policies, so don't even try quoting AGF at me. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 22:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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