Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Itul
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The result was delete. There is a clear consensus here that the sources given do not demonstrate that the subject is notable via either WP:GNG or WP:PROF Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Mircea Itul
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Let's work through the sources, demolishing this guy's claim to notability brick by brick:
- Publishing house blurb
- Mention in one footnote: "I am grateful to Mircea Itu for this reference."
- Blog
- Symposium schedule
- Research proposal (!)
- A couple of articles in his own newsletter
- Some kind of cruft
- No mention
- Conference paper abstract
- A one-line bibliographic entry in a 600+ page catalogue
- Same entry, smaller catalogue
- Write-up of a workshop talk he gave
- Directory entry
- Conference schedule entry
- Paper submitted
- A résumé
- A citation in a footnote
- A book of his, republished on a blog
- Cruft, cruft, cruft
OK, so clearly, the subject is some kind of an academic doing reasonably serious work in his field, with a seeming penchant for attending conferences. But does anything suggest he meets the standards of encyclopedic notability described by WP:PROF? No, not really. - Biruitorul Talk 18:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - He does not meet any standards of encyclopaedic content whatsoever. Doing serious work in your field, while honourable, is clearly not what gets people into encyclopaedias, otherwise we'd have billions of articles about people who have no notability whatsoever on Wikipedia. Jackninja5 (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Biru did a great source analysis. I can't see anything on Google Scholar that would suggest a high citation count, which can lead to notability. Now, let's burn us some spam! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:27, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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Wall of text #1 and listing of all the subject's publications by Clairec78
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Biruitorul, please explain "Let's work through the sources, demolishing this guy's claim to notability brick by brick" in regards to the Wikietiquette which clearly stipulates "to avoid the use of sarcastic language" and "not to make unsourced negative comments about living people". In the same context, please also explain what do you mean by "some kind of academic"! 1. Publishing house blurb Please check this: https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/modern-languages-and-cultures/research/french-books-on-india/ Selected publication Corinne François-Denève, Mircea Itu and Ian Magedera, French Books on India: From Dupleix to Decolonization (Glasgow: University of Glasgow French & German Publications, 2011). ISBN 9780852619223. This is the first published version, with 60 bilingual annotations and a scholarly introduction which sets the scene for the usefulness of understanding what was written in French about India. On this source it is obvious that Dr. Itul is co-author in this book and member in University of Liverpool research project. 2. Mention in one footnote: "I am grateful to Mircea Itu for this reference." This source supports the previous, and there are two footnotes mentioning Dr. Itul on page 5 and on page 20. 3. 4. http://www.romanian-institute-ny.org/symposiumabstracts.html Mircea Itu Professor of Comparative Religions, Dean of the School of Journalism, Communications and Public Relations, Spiru Haret University, Bucharest, Romania Mircea Eliade’s Concept of History of Religions Symposium, Vol. XVI/1, 2009 Abstract: Mircea Eliade is the well-known Romanian scholar in religious studies, a Romanian cultural personality who is worldwide appreciated. The knowledge transmitted through his work is both actual and ageless. It is highly important for human being and for humanity, as well. The history of religions and the comparative method appear and act simultaneously in Mircea Eliade. Keywords: Eliade, religion, culture, anthropology, history, hermeneutics, phenomenology This is a proof that Dr. Itul (Mircea Itu) presented this paper at the above Symposium in New York. Alongside other 8 studies, this was published in the magazine Gracious Light, New York: http://035473e.netsolhost.com/joomla1/index.php/publications-publicatii/lumina-lina-gracious-light.html 5. http://www2.spiruharet.ro/facultati/jurnalism-bucuresti/cercetare/fd9064f5c3a9fbb703c9f7d8d8acd384.pdf This source from Spiru Haret University website proves that Dr. Itul was dean at Spiru Haret University - see last mention at the end of the document. 6. http://opinianationala.ro/d/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/459.pdf Opinia nationala (National Opinion) is not 'his own newsletter', but a university magazine, which has been published since 1992 with national and international distribution in which the subject worked and published in 2009. See below the magazine website: http://opinianationala.ro/publicatie/ 7. https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/15298 This source from the University of Helsinki official website shows the paper presented by Dr. Itul at the International Society for the Study of European Ideas (ISSEI) Congress and the paper itself is downloadable. I don't see any cruft in this regard. 8. 9. http://www.institutuldefilosofie.ro/e107_files/downloads/Revue%20roumaine%20de%20philosophie/revue%2052.1-2%202008%20abstracts.pdf This source is an Abstract of an academic study by Dr. Itul, published by The Romanian Review of Philosophy, magazine published by The Romanian Academy, the highest academic institution in Romania, where Dr. Itul has worked since 1998. See below the Summary where to find the work published: http://www.institutuldefilosofie.ro/e107_files/downloads/Revue%20roumaine%20de%20philosophie/revue%2052.1-2%202008%20sommaire.pdf 10. http://www.iahr.dk/docs/Tokyo%202005.pdf See page 86: Mircea, Itu: John Cassian's Mystical Vision and Cosmic Christianity The International Association for the History of Religions is IAHR. It organises worldwide Congresses of Religion every five years. Dr. Itul took part in Durban 2000 and Tokyo 2005. 11. http://www.l.u-tokyo.ac.jp/iahr2005/pdf/web_programme_0314.pdf This source confirms information and participation to the IAHR Congress in Tokyo at page 26. 12. https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/1955 This source shows Dr. Itul participation at Nanzan Institute for Religion and Culture, Nagoya in 2005 at pages 3-4. 13. http://www.iash.ed.ac.uk/fellows/former-fellows/register-of-former-fellows-list/ This source proves that Dr. Itul was Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Studies in the Humanities (IASH), University of Edinburgh in 2002 and that he was working for The Romanian Academy. Please see under letter 'I'. 14. http://www.iahr.dk/docs/Durban%202000.pdf The International Association for the History of Religions is IAHR. It organises worldwide Congresses of Religion every five years. Dr. Itul took part in Durban 2000 and Tokyo 2005. This source shows that Dr. Itul participated with a paper at the Congress in Durban 2000 page 60. 15. http://www.westminster.edu/staff/brennie/eliade/Itu.htm This source is the Abstract of the paper presented by Dr. Itul at the IAHR Congress in Durban as well as information on some of his publications 16. http://www.institutuldefilosofie.ro/page.php?73 This is clearly not a résumé, but a detailed list of publications by Dr. Itul at the time when he worked at The Institute of Philosophy and Psychology of the Romanian Academy. This source shows that Dr. Itul published 47 academic studies, 20 co-author studies published in books, 17 books published as single author and has 7 unpublished works in the Romanian Academy archives. Please explain how come this academic works can be judged as not notable and the author named by Biruitorul as 'some kind of an academic'. 17. http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=phil_fac_pubs This source is a footnote that represents a citing by Professor of Philosophy Michael S. Jones, Liberty University, Virginia. http://www.liberty.edu/academics/arts-sciences/philosophy/?PID=12399 18. https://andreigabur.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/curs-filosofia-si-istoria-religiilor.pdf This source is one of Dr. Itul's published books that is available also in electronic format to help anyone to see it. It was uploaded by someone else, not by the subject. 19. http://philpapers.org/rec/ITUILE, http://philpapers.org/rec/ITUILB, http://philpapers.org/rec/ITUILE-2 This three sources are three of the published books by Dr. Itul. http://philpapers.org/ This source is on index of bibliographic entries from all over the world maintained by the International Team of Editors specialised in Philosophers' Works. Here is a list of Dr. Itul main works published for your information. It is not exhaustive, but surely shows academic notability for Dr. Itul: Publishing and editorial debut Article: Ne cheamă străbunii, ne cheamă părinţii (Our Ancestors and Our Parents get in touch with Us) in “Contemporanul”, Bucharest (Bucureşti), 1987 Volume: Poezii de dragoste - antologie universală (Love Poems – world anthology), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1992 Books Author 1. Mircea Eliade, Bucharest, Romania of Tomorrow Foundation, 2007, 124 p. 2. Kitarō Nishida, o cercetare asupra binelui (Kitaro Nishida, An Inquiry into the Good), translated from English into Romanian, with a Foreword by Mircea Itu, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2005, 232 p. 3. Filosofia şi istoria religiilor (Philosophy and History of Religions), Bucharest, ‘Romania of Tomorrow’ Foundation, 2004 307 p. 4. Filosofia şi religiile Indiei (Indian Philosophy and Indian Religions), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2004, 215 p. 5. Itinerarii britanice (British Journeys), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2003, 224 p. 6. Introducere în hermeneutică (Introduction to Hermeneutics), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2002, 245 p. 7. Manual de limba sanscrită (Sanskrit Textbook), Foreword by Cicerone Poghirc, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2001, 226 p. 8. Cultură şi civilizaţie indiană (Indian Culture and Indian Civilisation), Foreword by Lucia Wald Bucharest, CREDIS University College Press, 2001, 207 p. 9. Itinerarii indiene (Indian Journeys), vol. II, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 2000, 361 p. 10. Lila (Lila - Indian Novel), translated from Romanian into French by Raluca Taraş, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1999, 226 p. 11. Itinerarii indiene (Indian Journeys), vol. I, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1998, 329 p. 12. Lila (Lila – Indian Novel), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1998, 192 p. 13. Indianismul lui Eliade (Eliade’s Indology), Foreword by Roberto Scagno, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1997, 528 p. 14. Indianismul lui Blaga (Blaga’s Indology), Foreword by Cicerone Poghirc, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1996, 288 p. 15. Mihai Eminescu, spirit universal (Mihai Eminescu, Universal Spirit – optional textbook for exams), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1996, 84 p. 16. Indianismul lui Eminescu (Eminescu’s Indology), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1995, 176 p. 17. Poezii de dragoste - antologie universală (Love Poems – world anthology), Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1992, 208 p. Book Chapters Co-author 1. Indian Philosophy and Religions Entries, in the volume French Books on India, formatted and revised by Mircea Itu, volume coordinated and edited by Ian Magedera, University of Liverpool, Arts & Humanities Research Council, University of Glasgow, French and German Publications, Glasgow, 2011 152 p. 2. Conceptul de spirit la Constantin Noica raportat la Mircea Eliade (The Concept of Spirit in Constantin Noica’s Philosophy and in Mircea Eliade’s Vision), in the volume Constantin Noica, coordinated by Academician Alexandru Surdu, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy, 2009 6 p. 3. Filosofia trăirii (The Philosophy of Lived Experience), in the volume Cartea și lectura – azi (The Book and the Reading - Today), coordinated by Mioriţa Got, Bucharest, ErcPress, 2010, 22 p. 4. Filosofia și hermeneutica religiei (Philosophy and Hermeneutics of Religion) in the volume Educația pentru religie și pentru cultura diversității. Competențe ale educatorului creștin (Religious Education and Diversity Culture. Skills for a Christian Educator), coordinated by Mioriţa Got, Bucharest, ErcPress, 2010, 27 p. 5. Filosofia trăirii (The Philosophy of Lived Experience), in the volume Studii de istorie a filosofiei româneşti (Studies on Romanian History of Philosophy), vol. III, coordinated by Mona Mamulea and Viorel Cernica, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2008, 25 p. 6. Alexandru Surdu despre logica religiei, (Alexandru Surdu on the Logic of Religion), in the volume Alexandru Surdu: itinerarii logico-filosofice (Alexandru Surdu: Logical and Philosophical Journeys), vol. II, coordinated by Dragos Popescu, Bucharest, Paideia, 2008, 10 p. 7. Mircea Eliade şi fenomenologia sacrului (Mircea Eliade and the Phenomenology of the Sacred), in the volume Studii de istorie a filosofiei româneşti (Studies on Romanian History of Philosophy), vol. II, coordinated by Mona Mamulea and Viorel Cernica, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2007, 24 p. 8. Mit şi timp – sacralizare şi consacrare (Myth and Time - Sacralisation and Consecration), in the volume Natura Timpului (The Nature of Time), coordinated by Adrian Niță, Giurgiu, Pelican Publishing House, 2006, 21 p. 9. Blaga şi Śankara. O perspectivă comparată, Concepţia filosofică a lui August Treboniu Laurian, Mihail Kogălniceanu – un filosof al istoriei, Idei-forţă ale filosofiei lui Mircea Eliade (Blaga and Śankara. A Comparative Approach, August Treboniu Laurian’s Philosophy, Mihail Kogălniceanu - a Philosopher of History, Main Ideas in Mircea Eliade’s Philosophy), in the volume Studii de istorie a filosofiei româneşti (Studies on Romanian History of Philosophy), coordinated by Ion Pogorilovschi, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2006, 54 p. 10. Hermeneutica mitului (Hermeneutics of the Myth), in the volume Studii de istoria filosofiei universale (Studies on the History of World Philosophy), coordinated by Academician Alexandru Boboc and N.I. Mariş, Vol. XIII, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2005, 34 p. 11. Hermeneutică şi filosofia religiei (Hermeneutics and Philosophy of Religion), in the volume Sinteze pentru anul III învăţământ la distanţă (Textbook for the Third Year of Study, Online Education), coordinated by Acsinte Dobre and Pamfil Nichitelea, Bucharest, ‘Romania of Tomorrow’ Foundation, 2004, 44 p. 12. Dumnezeu şi religia în concepţia lui Immanuel Kant din Religia în limitele raţiunii (God and Religion in Immanuel Kant's Vision from Religion within the Boundries of mere Reason), in the volume Studii de istoria filosofiei universale (Studies on the History of World Philosophy), coordinated by and Academician Alexandru Boboc and N.I, Mariş, vol. XII, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2004, 24 p. 13. Dumnezeu în viziunea lui Śankaracarya din Brahma-sutra-bhashya (God in Śankaracarya’s Vision from Brahma-sutra-bhashya), in the volume Studii de istoria filosofiei universale (Studies on the History of World Philosophy), coordinated by and Academician Alexandru Boboc and N.I, Mariş, Vol. XI, Bucharest, The Romanian Academy Press, 2003, 14 p. 14. Aspecte legate de concepţia lui Alexandru Surdu despre religie (Aspects in Relation with Alexandru Surdu's Vision on Religion), in the volume Alexandru Surdu: itinerarii logico-filosofice (Alexandru Surdu: Logical and Philosophical Journeys), coordinated by Dragos Popescu and Marius Dobre, Bucharest, Paideia, 2003, 10 p. 15. Istoria religiilor (History of Religions), in the volume Sinteze pentru anul I învăţământ la distanţă (Textbook for the First Year of Study, Online Education), coordinated by Ioan N. Rosca and Sultana Craia, Bucharest, ‘Romania of Tomorrow’ Foundation, 2003, 27 p. 16. Templul visat de Constantin Brâncuși (The Temple dreamed by Constantin Brâncuși), the volume Constantin Brâncuși, artist-filosof (Constantin Brâncuși, an artist-philosopher), coordinated by Ion Pogorilovschi, Târgu-Jiu, ‘Constantin Brâncuși’ Foundation, 2002, 5 p. 17. God was born in Exile. Mircea Eliade and the Recuperation of the Sacred, published in the volume Inhabiting the Other: Essays on Literature and Exile, editor in chief Sharmistha Lahiri, New Delhi, Aryan, 2001 and paper on Mircea Eliade’s theory of the sacred and profane presented at the Symposium Literature and Exile, University of Delhi, New Delhi, 1997. 18. Aspecte ale indianismului în capodopera Glossa de Mihai Eminescu (Aspects of Indology in Gloss, Mihai Eminescu’s Masterpiece), in the volume Eminescu în actualitate (Eminescu in Contemporary Times), coordinated by Dan Brudaşcu, Cluj-Napoca, 2000, 6 p. 19. Transcenderea contrariilor (The Transcendence of the Opposed), in the volume Eliadiana (On Eliade), coordinated by Cristian Bădiliţă, Iaşi, Polirom, 1997, 12 p. 20. Glossa, Memento mori, in the volume Literatura română pentru bacalaureat şi admitere (Romanian Literature for GCSE, A Level and University Entrance Exams), coordinated by Mircea Itu and Iustina Itu, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1996, 10 p. 21. Mihai Eminescu (Amita Bhose, Zoe Dumitrescu-Buşulenga, Liviu Rusu, Rosa del Conte) in the volume Dicţionar de critică literară (Literary Critics Dictionary), coordinated by Mircea Itu and Iustina Itu, Braşov, Orientul latin Publishing House, 1995, 37 p. Articles and Studies Author Out of the list of published research, comprising thousands of articles and academic studies, the most interesting to mention are the following: 1. O jumătate de oră din viaţa lui Constantin Noica (Half hour of Constantin Noica’s life), in ‘Gracious Light’ (Review of Romanian Spirituality and Culture), New York, ISSN 1086-2366, ISI, 2010, XV, no. 5 January to March, pp. 59-63. 2. Mircea Eliade on the Concept of History of Religions, published in ‘Gracious Light’ (Review of Romanian Spirituality and Culture), year XV, number 1, January-March, New York, 2010. (Paper presented at the Symposium: Cult and Culture. The Transcendental Roots of Human Civilization, organised by the Romanian Institute of Theology and Spirituality, New York, 2008, study on the Mircea Eliade’s vision on History of Religions). 3. Hermeneutics of Myth, published in ‘Gracious Light’ (Review of Romanian Spirituality and Culture), year XIII, number 4, October-December, New York, 2008. (Paper presented at the Congress of Society for European Ideas – ISSEI, University of Helsinki, Finland, 2008, study on various interpretations of the myth). 4. Pour une philosophie de la religion (To a Philosophy of Religion), published in’ Revue Roumaine de Philosophie’ (Romanian Review of Philosophy), Tome 52, number 1-2, Bucharest, 2008. (Paper presented at the South-East European Congress of Philosophy, Cyrill and Methodius University, Skopje, The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia, 2007, study in French on the necessity of a Philosophy of Religion nowadays). 5. Intercultural Communication – An Openness towards the Future, published in ‘Annals of Spiru Haret University’, Journalism Series, year VIII, number 8, 2007, pp. 169. (Paper presented at the International Journalist Graduate Summer-School, University of Lund, Helsingborg, Sweden, 2008, study on the main topics of Intercultural Communication). 6. Immortality in Celtic, Thracian and Indian Religions, published in ‘Gracious Light’ (Review of Romanian Spirituality and Culture), year VIII, number 4, October-December, New York, 2003. (Postdoctoral research fellowship at The Institute for Advanced Studies in The Humanities, University of Edinburgh, UK, 2002, study on Celtic Religion, Religious Studies, Inter-religious Communication and Comparative Religion). 7. Aspectos del indianismo en obras maestras de Mihail Eminescu (Aspects of Indology in Mihai Eminescu’s Works), in ‘Empireuma’, year XVIII, nrumber 29, Alicante, summer-autumn 2003, 4 pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clairec78 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 19 January 2016
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- Delete. Can find nothing in WoS or WorldCat. Agricola44 (talk) 17:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC).
- Addendum. Found contributions in WorldCat under pen-name, but holdings are still far from showing notability (see below for summary). Agricola44 (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2016 (UTC).
Wall of text #2 and listing of every publication that ever cited the subject, complete with abstracts and analysis of journal quality, by Clairec78
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The following work has been done in order to offer an in-depth search of sources which proves Dr. Mircea Itul’s academic notability.
By searching by his pen name (Mircea Itu), you’ll find many sources related to his work.
In order to make your work easy, I put the sources into categories.
For your further information, I added the explanations for Academic Publishing Houses and Magazines in Romania which are accredited, peer reviewed and indexed. After each type of publication, I distinguished those in which Dr. Itul had published work or the citations in others’ academic work about him. After that I summarised the number of works and citations found in each category.
All websites have been checked and were valid between 20th January and 22nd January 2016. Further search in the online documents by Itu or Mircea, or Mircea Itu, will direct you to the exact place in the source link.
For citations, by searching in combination one of his names with the author of publication or citation may help you get easier to the citation.
Again this is just information available on internet. More is available in offline archives.
All this information serves your competent analysis and waits for an answer from you. Romanian Academic Publications, internationally indexed or CNCSIS accredited (CNCSIS is the National Council for Scientific Research at Academic Level in Romania. CNCSIS is a member of European Science Foundation - ESF). Please see below all those in which Mircea Itul (pen name: Mircea Itu) published: A. Romanian Magazines ISI indexed (Magazines included in Science Citation Index Expanded (SCI-EXPANDED), Social Sciences Citation Index (SSCI) or Arts and Humanities Citation Index (AHCI) B. National Publishing Houses CNCSIS accredited http://uefiscdi.gov.ro/userfiles/file/IC6%202011/Edituri%20nationale%20recunoscute%20CNCSIS.pdf C. Analele Spiru Haret (Spiru Haret Annals) D. Institutul de filosofie si psihologie, Academia Romana (The Institute of Philosophy and Psychology, The Romanian Academy)
REVISTA DE FILOSOFIE (The Philosophy Magazine) E. Gracious Light Summary of works and citations with the number of findings in each category: • According to Worldcat, there are 34 findings on Mircea Itul’s Books/Articles, under the pen name Mircea Itu, in various Academic Libraries. http://www.worldcat.org/ Citations about Itul in International Books
User claudebone, thank you for your posting! Although everyone can see the irony and sarcasm in your posts, please stick to the purpose of this discussion and assess the notability of this subject, based on all the evidence provided. I am sure that you made a typing error when you wrote ‘verbiose’ instead of ‘verbose’. May I just remind everyone, that your colleague user Agricola44 discharged the evidence and jumped to conclusion by searching on Worldcat by the name Mircea Itul and not by the pen name Mircea Itu. A correct search could show everyone in 3 seconds that there are 34 findings specifically for this subject, under the pen name Mircea Itu. Improving the actual page on Mircea Itul is my intention, as well. |
- Comment. Thank you for pointing this out – I will respond with my own "miniwall" of text. WorldCat does indeed show these publications for "Mircea Itu", but most seem to have single digit holdings, with some in double digits. I did not add-up total holdings, but in my opinion, this person is still far short of notability according to the obviously relevant WP:PROF guideline because of lack of impact. We might do the following thought experiment as a demonstration: a person writes 1,000 books, each of which have a few holdings, in which case the total might be 2 or 3 thousand. However, these numbers would be more reflective of routine bureaucratic procurement by a few very large institutional libraries rather than a large demand for a given author demonstrated by many libraries. For example, the central library "Lucian Blaga" in Cluj, Romania seems to have each of his books. In essence, the statistics do not suggest this person has been sufficiently "noted" to merit a WP article. Thanks. Agricola44 (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC).
- Comment. Thank you, Agricola44, for your posting. I am happy that at last you have properly checked on Worldcat, as the first time you said that there was nothing in there on the subject and now you admit that there are entries on him. There are indeed 34 entries on Dr. Itul (Mircea Itu). As a logical woman, I consider that opinion should always be based on facts, sustained by evidence and not grounded on feelings. You have found that Biblioteca Centrala Universitara ‘Lucian Blaga’, Cluj-Napoca (‘Lucian Blaga’ Central University Library, Cluj-Napoca) ‘seemed to have’ Itul’s books. There is a big difference between ‘seem to have’ and ‘have’ for anyone.
- Reply. A few points of advice, if I may. This is not debate of semantics (e.g. "have"), so let's not waste any words on that. Second, you're not helping your case by posting walls of text that nobody will read. That is, overwhelmingly long lists will not carry the day. You will have to show that the work of this person has had impact per WP:PROF c1. The mere existence of work does not accomplish that. If I were you, I would formulate a very cogent reply that summarizes Itul's main intellectual contributions, along with what you feel are the most cited/held books/articles that support that work. That will give panelists a good way to view Itul in the most positive light. At this point, if your reply is more than perhaps a dozen lines, nobody will read it...and if nobody reads it, they won't change their minds...and if nobody changes their minds, this article will very likely be deleted. Agricola44 (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC).
Wall of text #3 and comprehensive analysis of every library that ever held a copy of the subject's work, by Clairec78
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There are many other libraries in Romania that have books and articles by Mircea Itu, for example: Biblioteca Nationala (The National Library) in Bucharest, Biblioteca Academiei Romane (The Romanian Academy Library), Biblioteca Centrala Universitara din Iasi (The Central University Library in Iasi) etc. |
- Delete. Single-digit citation counts on Google scholar do not provide evidence of the academic impact needed to pass WP:PROF#C1. No other sign of notability is evident, and I don't find the listings above of his accomplishments persuasive of their significance (doing a lot isn't enough by itself: you have to have influenced many others, usually so many others that it would be impossible to produce a listing like the ones given above). —David Eppstein (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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As per the advice given by Agricola44, please see below:
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- Keep This academic is apparently well recognized in his field. Wikipedia:Notability (academics), WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. That you started your statements with an exhortation that you were going to get this article deleted displayed a real bias. Moreover, this discussion reveals an inherent systemic bias. GIGO. You are apparently looking for English language sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- I have to admit not being able to wade through all of the enormous walls above. I wonder if you might elaborate on how Itul is "apparently well recognized in his field", which I presume you gleaned from this text. I asked Clairec78 to summarize, but s/he simply listed a few individual citations & libraries holding Itul's work, "academic impact" consisting of routine academic activities, obscure awards, etc. Itul's books are in WorldCat, but holdings are meager. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something here. Agricola44 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC).
- Er, the purpose of starting an AfD is to convince other users an article should be deleted, so yes, that's why I started it. I freely admit: I'm "biased" in the sense that I don't think this individual is notable.
- Would you mind saying just why you think the subject is "well recognized in his field", and could you provide any actual evidence he meets WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV? That would be helpful to your case.
- And please, let's leave the "systemic bias" canard out of this. I examined sources in Romanian as well as in English. No substantive results turned up on either front. - Biruitorul Talk 17:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – There are far less worthy candidates surviving on WP. Little would be achieved if this were to be deleted. Yes "Keep""! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to support your opinion with something more than pure WP:WAX? Thx, Agricola44 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC).
- I think this is a poorly written article. The editors (IMO) don't understand the difference between links and references, and I noted that on the article talk page.
- Clicking through the links and the references, and reading the text, Professor Itul is well known enough and well-established enough in his field.
- We also have the real problem of systemic bias and crossing (and searching) language barriers. This effects the efficacy of search engines.
- That it is a poorly formatted article is no reason to delete it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- But that's the thing. His books are in WorldCat...they just aren't held by more than a few institutions. Your objection is the language bias, but what we would look for here as proof of notability are translations of his books that are themselves held by a decent number of institutions. Agricola44 (talk) 17:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Rennie, Brian. "Mircea Itu — Mircea Eliade and the Metaphysics of the Upanishads: Abstract; Curriculum Vitae". Westminster College. Retrieved January 22, 2016.
This paper presents, as concerns Eliade's contribution to our understanding of religion, some of his commentaries on Hinduism. They deal with the major aspect of Hindu religion, the identity between God and the human soul (the Brahman/atman Equation), among other items belonging to the Upanishadic texts. ... These articles have not been translated into any other language. The importance of recognizing Eliade as indologist is emphasized. His books and studies on indology are an interesting part of his work as a scholar in the history of religions. We should consider that he was an indologist early in his career, and it is wrong to ignore this aspect when discussing his teachings, his philosophy, or even his understanding of religion. One can easily see throughout all Eliade's work, not only in his books on Yoga, which made him famous in the theory of Yoga and an authority in the field, that his living experience in India (1928-1931) played a very important role. He was deeply influenced by Indian philosophies and religions. The six studies on the metaphysics of the Upanishads are integrated into a group of Romanian articles, which analyze ideas of Indian culture and spirituality.
He is known in Romania and is an (perhaps the) authoritative scholar in his area of expertise. If I can find this kind of reference, why can't you? Perhaps because you are spelling his name wrong? And you genuinely think that languages aren't and GIGO aren't part of the problem here?
- You are taking a parochial and narrow view when this is a worldwide encyclopedia. If he is important in his subject and well known in Romania's academic community, that is good enough to be notable for the encyclopedia. That his books are not translated from Romanian does not diminish their worth. I cited to an American
BritishUniversity article that testifies to his importance. [This Westminster College is in Pennsylvania. http://www.westminster.edu/about/location.cfm?campus-life] 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)- I think there is some misunderstanding here. What you linked to seems to be written by Mircea Itu (our subject) as an abstract for a symposium presentation discussing a different person, Mircea Eliade. For example, Eliade's contribution to our understanding of religion.... It is currently just a webpage at Bryan Rennie's personal website, i.e. Rennie is not the author. Consequently, I don't think this source provides any support whatsoever to the claim in the article that Itu "is considered to be an authority on Indology". Agricola44 (talk) 22:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC).
- And you seem to be taking the relaxed inclusionist view that almost everyone that has their name on a paper is notable. This person is a very average professor whose prolific and prolix work has barely been noted by his peers. I'll watch the rest of this from the sidelines. Best. Agricola44 (talk) 18:42, 24 January 2016 (UTC).
- If the cited "British university" is the thing you quote above from Westminster College, well, it ain't from a British university but from some place in the USA. - Sitush (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Right you are. Corrected it above. It is in Pennsylvania. Thanks for the headsup! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
- If the cited "British university" is the thing you quote above from Westminster College, well, it ain't from a British university but from some place in the USA. - Sitush (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
- Rennie, Brian. "Mircea Itu — Mircea Eliade and the Metaphysics of the Upanishads: Abstract; Curriculum Vitae". Westminster College. Retrieved January 22, 2016.
Wall of text #5 re civility and good faith
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When somebody enters into a discussion by delivering an undocumented delete verdict, then admits that even minimal sources haven’t been checked properly and then that it is too much of a deal to make an effort to go through all evidence and information provided, when evidence provided is ignored systematically or diminished systematically, in my opinion this sort of editors lose credibility. The same happens in the case of those who do not show respect and civility to other editors or users. I totally agree that the page on Itul must be improved and I will work on Itul's page once it is decided not to be deleted. When my technical knowledge of formatting and editing on Wikipedia is not proper, I hope that editors will help me with that on Itul's page. User 7&6=thirteen is absolutely right to say these: ‘That you started your statements with an exhortation that you were going to get this article deleted displayed a real bias. Moreover, this discussion reveals an inherent systemic bias’. Everyone should agree that no one should start with conclusions and prejudices when assessing a Wikipedia page. One can also suppose, based on the user name, that Agricola44 is in Romania, and I am not. This would have given user Agricola44 more opportunities to check the offline sources and to check them properly in Romania. Agricola44 also mentioned that if I prepare a Summary for Itul’s contributions, the editors might change their minds. A change of mind implies that someone has already the mind set and has reached a conclusion before judging the facts and information. As several comments on this article have been mind set to delete it and threatened to delete it, proves that some editors haven’t been interested to check available sources properly from the very beginning. Those who assess should not ignore evidence based on the fact that it is detailed. They should also decide independently and objectively. Gareth Griffith-Jones is right. There are cases of Wikipedia articles on Romanian academics, on ‘far less worthy candidates surviving on WP’. Evidence can be provided about Wikipedia articles on Romanian academics and writers. But as I have noticed how thoroughly Agricola44 is doing the research, I am sure that he/she can find those pages himself/herself. Following the example of user 7&6=thirteen, one can check any or all of the names citing Mircea Itu’s works: Bryan S. Rennie, Douglas Allen, Mac Linscott Ricketts, Natale Spineto, Roberto Scagno, Giovanni Casadio, Julien Ries, Michel Angot, Cicerone Poghirc, Theodor Damian as well as academics from Romania (academician Alexandru Surdu, Ioan N. Rosca, Mircea Handoca, Ion Pogorilovschi, George Anca and journalist Sorin Rosca-Stanescu). Please review at least the Summary provided and please judge Itul’s notability based on objectivity, impartially and avoiding reductionism.user:clairec78 |
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Wall of text #6, "Information on Itul as Indologist"
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Edit. I've removed the first citation in the article, which seemed to think Rennie was the author and the symposium paper discussed Itul, when indeed the paper was by Itul and discussed Eliade. I think some panelists here may be confusing our subject Mircea Itul with Mircea Eliade. Having a skim through some of the above walls, it should be clear that Itul wrote extensively about Eliade, but again, the problem is that those works have not been noted. Agricola44 (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note to Closing Admin. There appears to be some confusion over identities here. The citation above is an abstract of a symposium paper by Itul discussing the notable historian Mircea Eliade, but it is rendered in the WP article to appear to be written by Bryan Rennie about Itul, so as to support a claim in the lede that Itul is a notable Indologist. The only connection to Rennie is that the abstract is served from his personal website. I'd removed this erroneous citation, but it was immediately restored by User 7&6=thirteen. I've no desire to edit-war, but I think it should be made clear that this citation offers no support whatsoever to that claim. Agricola44 (talk) 15:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC).
- Comment. I'd already mentioned this confusion to User 7&6=thirteen a few days ago. But given his/her defense of "Not erroneous. That's what it says. Take it to the talk page" for the undo, I think s/he is sticking with the contention that Bryan Rennie wrote a paper demonstrating that Mircea Itul is a notable indologist. This is simply incorrect. Agricola44 (talk) 18:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC).
- Comment. Agricola44, nothing that you comment here has back-up and an editor responsible for civility would have had to take a stand when so many users attacked this page, myself and Mircea Itul, creating a bias against. Wouldn't you agree with this fact, Agricola44? Here is a citation by Bryan S. Rennie about Mircea Itul (Itu): 'Mircea Itu also writes on India and on Eliade’s utility in interpreting specific texts. Like Ouellet and Berner he applies Eliade’s work to understand specific historical situations, this time from Eliade’s earliest years in India interpreting the Upanishads. Despite Itu’s occasionally hagiographic approach, which bears certain stigmata of hero-worship, he makes some good points and is by no means uncritical of Eliade. Itu focuses on six untranslated Romanian articles published in Bucharest in the 30’s in the journal Cuvântul and the review Vremea and emphasizes the importance of recognizing Eliade as an Indologist. The paper considers some of Eliade’s commentaries on Hinduism from his years in India (1929-31) dealing with a major element of Hindu religion—the identity between God and the human soul (the “Brahman/atman equation”)— \\among other items from the Upanishads. Itu argues that Eliade was deeply influenced by Indian philosophies and religions. However, he also argues that, contrary to what Eliade states in these studies, the “way to God” in Hinduism is not through revelation but through direct intuition. Itu critiques Eliade’s opinion that revelation is determined by karma (action). On the contrary, argues Itu, God is the source of revelation: karma remains in connection with the phenomenal world while intuition springs from the human soul. The paper also criticizes Eliade’s claim that the Upanishads are not mystical. These texts are the very heart of Hindu mysticism and religion, because they insist on this unity between God and the human soul. Itu also concludes that Eliade confused non-attachment with indifference.' This link is for everyone to see and to judge it with neutrality, objectivity and fairness: http://www.westminster.edu/staff/brennie/eliade/IntEliIntro.htm user:clairec78
- Clarification. The casual reader of this debate will very likely be misled by some of the above arguments from users 7&6=thirteen and clairec78, so I would like to properly clarify matters. These editors have been posting text related to a symposium on the historian Mircea Eliade. The symposium was later published by SUNY Press as "The International Eliade" edited by Bryan Rennie. Mircea Itu(l) is not the same person as Mircea Eliade, but the former did evidently contribute a paper to this volume. User 7&6=thirteen posted an abstract of what appears to be Itu's paper on Eliade, but the citation showed Rennie as the author (this error is discussed above). David Eppstein seems to have now fixed this. User clairec78 posted the text immediately above, which is evidently a draft of Rennie's introduction to the volume. In particular, it mentions Itul in the section discussing how the volume is organized. I would normally argue that this is routine editorial fodder, except for the fact that this text seems to have been cut and does not actually appear in the final printed version. In summary, I think the arguments actually being made here are that Itu is "considered to be an authority on Indology" because he contributed a chapter to the SUNY book (7&6=thirteen) and Itu is notable because he was mentioned by the editor of this volume in some draft text that is available on the web (clairec78). Agricola44 (talk) 20:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- To be honest, it's now not even clear to me that Itul's chapter made it into the SUNY volume. I cannot find his name in the searchable TOC on Amazon. Apologies if I am missing it somehow. Agricola44 (talk) 20:21, 26 January 2016 (UTC).
- Clarification. The following link is a valid independent source, written by Bryan Rennie and not by Itul! The link shows clearly that it belongs to Westminster College in Pennsylvania and its website and to Professor Bryan Rennie's profile at Westminster College! The fact that it is included or not in a later printed version does not make any difference in Bryan Rennie's opinion on the subject, published on line. http://www.westminster.edu/staff/brennie/eliade/IntEliIntro.htm user:clairec78
- Thanks so much. I think I understand your argument very clearly now. Best. Agricola44 (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC).
- Delete I'm sorry, I can see a lot of passion here, but I just don't see how this person passes WP:ACADEMIC. He does not even seem to have a regular academic position at a university that I could find; he appears to be more of a freelance scholar who has contributed to a book or two. He has almost no citations at Google Scholar, which is one of the ways of determining that the person is "influential in their field". The arguments by the "keep" voters are not persuasive. --MelanieN (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. MelanieN, thank you for your posting. Please check the extensive list of works in the wall papers. Itul has the PH.D. title awarded by University of Paris, of Doctor in Philosophy recognised by NARIC, the title of University Professor in Romania awarded by the Ministry of Education and Research, also the title CP1, the highest academic title in Romania from the Romanian Academy, awarded by the Ministry of Education and Research. From Notability (academics): 'Most academics are or have been faculty members (professors) at colleges or universities. Also many academics hold or have held academic or research positions in academic research institutes. Academics may also work outside academia and their primary job does not have to be academic in nature if they are known for their academic achievements.' Itul was professor and dean at Spiru Haret University and also taught at University of Bucharest and worked in the highest ranking academic position in the Institute of Philosophy and Psychology of the Romanian Academy. As for Google Scholars, please check in the wall text above for all the list of publications and the discussion on Google Scholar. Please check under the pen name Mircea Itu. user:clairec78
- Comment - I would just point out, for the benefit of participants who may not be that familiar with the Romanian educational system, that being affiliated with Spiru Haret University is not exactly a badge of distinction. It's a well-known diploma mill (only it doesn't even bother to hand out all the diplomas for which its customers pay: for instance, as of 2014, it had yet to award tens of thousands of diplomas to its 2011 graduates) that is frequently in trouble with the Education Ministry. - Biruitorul Talk 22:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, this is interesting and helpful. I have to say, though, that whoever wrote the criticism section on Spiru Haret University seems almost as long-winded as Claire here. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, Clairec78, I realize you feel very strongly about this person. (In fact, you are what we call a WP:Single purpose account.) I would just point out that having a PhD is not enough to meet WP:SCHOLAR. Publishing papers or contributing to books or presenting at conferences is not enough; they all do that, it's their job. Having an academic position at a university is not enough (except for certain highly notable or distinguished titles). The key test is that other scholars cite their work often, which is a way of determining if their academic work is important and influential, or if it is routine. I see nothing here that isn't routine. --MelanieN (talk) 22:35, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
- MelanieN Thank you for your posting. Itul's title of University Professor and the highest academic research title at the Romanian Academy were granted by the Ministry of Education and Research in Romania. In regards to work published by Itul, citations and presence in academic libraries, please read wall of text number 2, wall of text number 3 and wall of text number 4. The above information texts show that there are citations by some of the most important academics in the field, both nationally and internationally. I am sorry that I need again to post a lot of text to sustain the cause of Itul, a subject of notability. Besides the walls, please consider also the following information: Wikipedia: Notability (academics), which are very clear to me in regards to the tools used to assess notability, although it seems that they are not clear to others and to everyone as it should be the case: 1. 'The only reasonably accurate way of finding citations to journal articles in most subjects is to use one of the two major citation indexes, Web of Knowledge and Scopus. They are, unfortunately, very expensive: Scopus will be found mostly in university and large college libraries, and Web of Knowledge in major universities. Scopus covers the sciences and the social sciences, but is very incomplete before 1996; Web of Knowledge may cover the sciences back to 1900, the social sciences back to 1956, and the humanities (very incompletely) back to 1975, but only the largest universities can afford the entire set. (Fortunately, additional citation indexes with public access are being developed.) These databases are furthermore incomplete especially for the less developed countries. Additionally, they list citations only from journal articles – citations from articles published in books or other publications are not included. For that reason, these databases should be used with caution for disciplines such as computer science in which conference or other non-journal publication is essential, or humanistic disciplines where book publication is most important'.and 2. 'A caution about Google Scholar: Google Scholar works well for fields where all (or nearly all) respected venues have an online presence. Most papers written by a computer scientist will show up, but for less technologically up-to-date fields, it is dicey. For non-scientific subjects, it is especially dicey. For scholars in humanities the existing citation indices and GoogleScholar often provide inadequate and incomplete information. In these cases one can also look at how widely the person's books are held in various academic libraries' Citations. According to the recent research (2015) on international ranking, the average rate of citation for Philosophy discipline is about 3 citations and has a decreasing trend. It is also recognised that the average citation rate is higher in countries such as the USA or the UK and much lower in countries such as Romania. The citations that I’ve provided to you show that Dr. Itul’s work has been cited by key academics in the field: international academics (Bryan S. Rennie, Douglas Allen, Mac Linscott Ricketts, Natale Spineto, Roberto Scagno, Giovanni Casadio, Julien Ries, Michel Angot, Cicerone Poghirc, Theodor Damian) and academics from Romania (academician Alexandru Surdu, Ioan N. Rosca, Mircea Handoca, Ion Pogorilovschi, George Anca and journalist Sorin Rosca-Stanescu). In regards to Spiru Haret, it is an accredited university and Itul was awarded the title of University Professor not by Spiru Haret University, but by the Ministry of Education and Research and also taught at the Faculty of Foreign Languages and Literatures and at the Faculty of Philosophy, both at University of Bucharest.user:clairec78
- Comment.Talk May I remind you that Itul was awarded the title of University Professor not by Spiru Haret University, but by the Ministry of Education. Please see the Decision of the Minister of Education Number 1643 from 2nd August 2007 the link from the Archives of the Ministry of Education in Romania and press button Descarca (Download): http://www.edu.ro/index.php/articles/8395 Itul also taught at the Faculty of Foreign Languages and Literatures and at the Faculty of Philosophy, both at University of Bucharest. May I also remind you to check with Romanian sources that the subject worked with Spiru Haret University up to 2009 and you mentioned information about 2011 and 2014. On top of these, in my opinion the purpose of your comment is defamatory because you simply want to harm the reputation of a living person. user:clairec78
- I'm sorry, but it's not "defamatory" to emphasize the fact that Spiru Haret is a shady for-profit enterprise that skirts the boundaries of legality and hires third-rate hacks who couldn't get hired at real universities. And if your claim to some sort of validation as an academic on the subject's part revolves around his having worked there in 2007 or 2009 and not in 2011 or 2014, I'm afraid you're grasping at straws. Because we have a 2009 report wherein the Education Minister threatens to shut down the university within a week if it doesn't solve its fundamental issues; and another report from the same year attesting, with ample figures, that the "university" had become a diploma mill by 2004, and was running all manner of dubious schemes. This, ladies and gentlemen, is where the glorious Mircea Itu served as "dean". - Biruitorul Talk 01:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
- Comment.Talk. Spiru Haret is a private university. The concept of every private institution, including universities is to be profitable. This page is not about Spiru Haret University, but about Mircea Itul. In my opinion, your comments are defamatory again, because you simply want to harm the reputation of a living person. Please see for yourselves what satatement Talk posted: 'This, ladies and gentlemen, is where the glorious Mircea Itu served as "dean"'. Itul's notability should not be reduced to the fact that he was dean at Spiru Haret University.user:clairec78
- Comment. For the subject of Spiru Haret University in Bucharest and the ex-minister of Education Ecaterina Andronescu, please check Wikipedia Ecaterina Andronescu. Please check the following: 'The University itself took the Government to court and won the right to continue operations.' Citation 15. See also plagiarism controversy on Ecaterina Andronescu. I rest may case.user:clairec78
- Comment. It is not the same for an academic from the USA or from the UK and an academic from Romania to be notable. There are standards related to the country (Romania) and to the language (Romanian), as well as to publication access worldwide for a Romanian, and not the notability standards such as for countries like the USA and the UK. At the same time, for an academic to be notable it is not compulsory to have an official academic position at present. Itul holds the academic titles of University Professor, CP1 the Romanian Academy highest research scholar title. Even if he is not working in Romania, he was active there with these titles and the title of dean.user:clairec78
- Comment. MelanieN, thank you for your posting. Please check the extensive list of works in the wall papers. Itul has the PH.D. title awarded by University of Paris, of Doctor in Philosophy recognised by NARIC, the title of University Professor in Romania awarded by the Ministry of Education and Research, also the title CP1, the highest academic title in Romania from the Romanian Academy, awarded by the Ministry of Education and Research. From Notability (academics): 'Most academics are or have been faculty members (professors) at colleges or universities. Also many academics hold or have held academic or research positions in academic research institutes. Academics may also work outside academia and their primary job does not have to be academic in nature if they are known for their academic achievements.' Itul was professor and dean at Spiru Haret University and also taught at University of Bucharest and worked in the highest ranking academic position in the Institute of Philosophy and Psychology of the Romanian Academy. As for Google Scholars, please check in the wall text above for all the list of publications and the discussion on Google Scholar. Please check under the pen name Mircea Itu. user:clairec78
- Delete This is a self-promotional page for a scholar whose notability cannot be discerned from the sources presented as evidence (grasping at straws, really), and on whom other serious third-party references don't appear to exist. Concerning his institution of "learning", Spiru Haret: the decision to withdraw accreditation and investigate was one endorsed across the board, and in fact has been first upheld not by Ecaterina Andronescu, but by her predecessor from another party, Daniel Funeriu. The "university" challenged such decisions in court, but what it won was the right not to be closed down, and it continues to operate on the same diploma-mill system -- only now students might be made aware that their diplomas are worthless. The amount of special pleading above is nauseating. Dahn (talk) 10:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
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