Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Microcosm Ltd

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Article is substantially changed following the delete arguments, resolving both the copyvio and COI issues resolved. No deletes following relisting. Resolute 02:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Copyvio of introduction paragraph on main page. Bushcarrot ^Talk _{Please Sign!} 15:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - spam/conflict of interest, fails WP:CORP. FiggyBee 16:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC) May meet WP:CORP based on Silicon Disk System /Microcache. FiggyBee 07:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- no secondary source mentions or to be found. --mordicai. 17:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:COI: Page created by MicrocosmLtd; initial copyvio; no outside sources that aren't related to the company; Wikipedia is not a sales catalog; No Google news hits on the company. Main Google hits are either company's site, or blogs/tech pages. ^Ariel♥Gold 20:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the attempt at company promotion per FiggyBee and ArielGold. Eliz81^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Article updated to comply with Wikipedia policies MooseMatt 15:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Secondary sources to comply with WP:CORP and WP:COI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_Control

http://www.qbssoftware.com/publisher_info.aspx?current=PRODUCTS&publisher=MICROCOSML

http://www.zappersoftware.com/copy-protection.html

http://www.fmpro.org/search/Software/7/

MooseMatt 11:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - User:MooseMatt has no edits except to this article and this AfD. Also, MM, no-one's doubting that the company exists and that it sells those things. Commercial directory entries for the company are not valid secondary sources, as they are "merely trivial coverage" under WP:CORP. However, I find the claims about Silicon Disk System and Microcache interesting; if they can be sourced (and I'm sure someone must have written something about them at the time?) that might swing it. FiggyBee 13:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment — see: Peter Cheesewright, Microcomputers Come of Age. The Journal of the Operational Research Society, 32(10):932–933, October 1981. I have added this as a reference. — Jonathan Bowen 17:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Couple of articles about the Silicon Disk System, MicroCache and CopyControl:

• Article in Practical Computing magazine from 1982 reviewing Silicon Disk System and MicroCache
  Article in Practical Computing magazine from 1982 reviewing Silicon Disk System and MicroCache
• Article in PC Plus Magazine from 1995 reviewing CopyControl 1.63
  Article in PC Plus Magazine from 1995 reviewing CopyControl 1.63

MooseMatt 15:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nabla 15:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• relisting - Secondary sources have been shown, so most deletes above became void of reasoning. The question of notability still stands, so fresh input is needed. Note to User:MooseMatt: no need to keep on saying keep, follow ups on the discussion are usualy tagged as comment, so I boldly refactored yours'. - Nabla 15:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep These seem to be substantial reviews, and I think that's enough.DGG (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — I have added categories and the following reference: Peter Cheesewright, Microcomputers Come of Age. The Journal of the Operational Research Society, 32(10):932–933, October 1981. — Jonathan Bowen 17:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep Looks to be notable enough with some sources.--JForget 00:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.