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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 00:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael G. Flynn

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I very much wanted to create this article myself but decided against it because there wasn't enough there. This article fails GNG and WP:ONEEVENT. Flynn Jr. is primarily known for a weird conspiracy theory he tweeted about in December 2016 which some media commented on due to the fact his dad was a U.S. cabinet nominee (in fact 88% of the sources are from his month, and the three sources that aren't only include one-sentence mentions of the fact he exists - no further details given - within articles about his dad).
Though the article is long and exhaustively sourced, a close examination of the sources reveals they're all about Flynn's better known dad and essentially mention Flynn Jr. in passing. This is why the article, despite being voluminous, has so little actual info about him (no DOB other than an estimate, no information on education, no information on personal life, no information on prior work other than one business trip he took for his job, etc.) From reading this one would guess Flynn sat at home for the first 30 years of his life staring at the wall until his dad hired him to work for his 2-man "intel firm" in 2015. (Maybe he did. If that's the case, though, he definitely doesn't merit a BLP.)
BlueSalix (talk) 04:39, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Flynn Intel Group" has two employees. The fact he was Chief of Staff of a two-man company doesn't make him notable. The fact he was asked to get a security clearance doesn't make him notable or we would have tens of thousands of USG employees with bios. His dad doesn't make him notable because WP:NOTINHERITED. He's notable for a bizarre tweet he sent out that prompted three days of media coverage, which means he fails WP:ONEEVENT. Where did he go to school? Where was be born? What jobs did he have before working for his dad two years ago? Is he married? This bio of a 33 year old begins when he was age 1 and then skips to when he was age 31. This isn't a bio, it's a documentation of Flynn's weird tweet puffed-up into a Wikipedia article so that it appears under a Google search for "Michael Flynn." BlueSalix (talk) 05:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Sagecandor (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Sagecandor (talk) 05:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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There are far more subtle ways to canvass. BlueSalix (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They were already aware and had already watchlisted the article page. Just noting their comments here about quality of the article. Sagecandor (talk) 05:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How about we all note our own comments? That's typically how AfDs work. BlueSalix (talk) 05:26, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[1] and [2]. Therefore the only two people I notified were those who had already watchlisted the article. No more, no less. Sagecandor (talk) 05:31, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See above. BlueSalix (talk) 05:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See above. [3]. Sagecandor (talk) 05:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Going through my edit history of articles to slap retaliatory AfDs like you're doing here and elsewhere is really not a bright idea, bucko. BlueSalix (talk) 05:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be mistaken. That was put up for WP:PROD by NatGertler at [4]. Sagecandor (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake. BlueSalix (talk) 06:02, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ! Sagecandor (talk) 06:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A minor personage, yes, but I think this gets over the hurdle on account of the significant coverage in the reliable sources, cited in article. Neutralitytalk 17:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a classic case of WP:BLP1E, because there is no way under the sun that we would have a biography of him if it wasn't for the 72 hour spurt of media attention about his conspiracy theory tweeting. The matter can be covered in his father's biography. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the same reasons Neutrality has given. HelgaStick (talk) 01:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete deletion seems to be in order; merge with pizzagate or article for his father cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 12:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Cullen328, and upon a closer reading, which reveals nothing notable outside of Pizzagate. Mr Ernie (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:BLP1E DocumentError (talk) 05:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect this BLP1E policy has a controversial history from what I find in back discussions and is not universally accepted, but this looks like a biography where it would be best applied. It would be an incredulous stretch to say that the bad tweets were event One and his firing was event Two, I find both of those wrapped around the "event" of Pizzagate, so redirect this to that. However, the next incident or pretty much anything he does that receives coverage in the news, that will qualify this person for a article. ValarianB (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (or redirect) - notable for losing job over a stupid tweet? BLP1E is the approach to take. The content is poor (what you'd expect from a google trawl of an otherwise unknown person). This is not encyclopaedic content for a stand alone article. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Delete per BLP and WP:NOTNEWS, I can't (and don't want to) imagine a circumstance where someone is notable for a tweet.LM2000 (talk) 23:29, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge his bio and controversy information onto his father's page, because that page as of now lacks all information regarding the conspiracy tweeting in which they both participated. Admin: Absolutely do not delete unless that information from this article gets migrated first. Weak Keep otherwise. SamuelRiv (talk) 05:08, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - More or less per Cullen328. GNG requires significance over a period of time, BLP1E discourages bios of people based on one event (and additional caution is required when a bio is based largely on something negative). I would say redirect to the pizzagate article, but I think that's also a BLP concern, so delete. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep When I was looking for disambiguation of the two Michael Flynns just now, I found it. To merge the two articles, and remove the disambiguation, would make Wikipedia less useful to the users. Lt. General Michael Thomas Flynn and Michael G. Flynn (AKA Michael Flynn, Jr.) should both be listed, so the connection, and the distinction, can both be made clear. 98.14.15.215 (talk) 10:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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