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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep based on post-nomination expansion of the page. RL0919 (talk) 20:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mehus

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I'm personally expressing a neutral position (Note No longer neutral; see my !vote below) on this AfD, but out of curiousity, I stumbled upon this disambiguation page for my own surname. The lede of the disambiguation page contains useful information on how to correctly pronounce the last name, but it has only one bluelink to a Flemish painter named Livio Mehus from the 17th century. The redlink is to a model Laurelle Mehus, whose AfD closed as "delete." So my question is as follows, should we:

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Doug Mehus T·C 20:50, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Laurelle Mehus failed to survive AFD, and has a one-line cast list mention in Pretty Woman (not Pretty Women, as this page said until recently). Belle Mehus Auditorium is an orphan redlink. It seems to me most unlikely that an English version of no:Mehus would pass WP:NGEO; it isn't mentioned in Sortland, the next higher administrative division. Discounting all those, that reduces to a one-entry surname page, which should be a {{R from surname}} redirect.
Note to nom: relinked hatnotes are not permitted under WP:REDHAT. Narky Blert (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Narky Blert, Thanks. Interesting, my nomination's retarget option was to retarget to Livio Mehus, but I changed it to the list entry thinking we should give precedence to where the Norwegian village is mentioned. Doug Mehus T·C 01:36, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article claims to be a stub but to my eyes it is a disambiguation page which only links to one extant article. Assuming that no article on Mehus, Norway is forthcoming, I would be guided by WP:G14 which says "If a disambiguation page links to only one article and does not end in (disambiguation), it should be changed to a redirect". Therefore, I concur with Narky Blert - Redirect to Livio Mehus with {{R from surname}} and add a hatnote to Livio Mehus to disambiguate the Norwegian village. --kingboyk (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2020 (UTC) Overtaken by events. --kingboyk (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kingboyk, Yeah, I noticed that too when I tried to add the {{talk page of disambiguation page}} header to the talk page. It claims to be a list, but it really is a disambiguation page, so I added the disambiguation tag to it. I'm not opposed to redirecting to the 17th painter Livio Mehus as I'm officially neutral, but with Narky's find of no:Mehus on Norwegian Wikipedia, can we also have soft redirects on English Wikipedia to other Wikipedias, as we do with Wiktionary and Wikibooks? Could that be a possibility? This would encourage research to, potentially, create a stub-class article for the Mehus Norwegian village. Doug Mehus T·C 01:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the hatnote could point to Mehus, Norway which would be a {{R with possibilities}} to List of villages in Nordland? --kingboyk (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kingboyk, Now that I think about it, a soft redirect of Mehus to no:Mehus isn't really helpful since, well, the target's not in English. We could potentially add a link in one of the columns at List of villages in Nordland to no:Mehus, though, I think. That certainly seems reasonable. Doug Mehus T·C 01:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: it's in spirit a dab page but has sourced info about the surname so needs to be a surname page with a couple of "See also" links, as I've now linked the village and the auditorium. Perhaps technically we should have a dab page plus a surname page with just the info and the one entry, but that looks excessive. PamD 09:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    PamD, But the surname is named after the Norwegian village, so the Norwegian is a clear primary topic, I think, no? Nonetheless, I appreciate your improvements. I'm not opposed to keeping it as-is now. Would this be an WP:IAR/WP:COMMONSENSE keep then? Doug Mehus T·C 15:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    PamD, I tried to rescue the bare URL citation that was a dead link, to no avail. It's not in the Internet Archive. If this is kept, and right now, I'm leaning toward retargeting, it can be both a surname stub and a disambiguation page, per WP:IAR if needed. Doug Mehus T·C 15:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question for @Kingboyk and Narky Blert: with the apparent WP:HEY undertaken by PamD and, in what may be a first, the nominator of this AfD, are either of you open to keeping this is as a first or second choice? And, if so, should it be (a) a surname stub, (b) a disambiguation page, or, since we have no rules and all, (c) both? That is, the consensus established here would provide for a non-precedent-setting tagging of both {{surname-stub}} and {{disambiguation}} (since we don't have enough to warrant two pages). If you're both amenable to either alternative, then I could with my nomination early. Doug Mehus T·C 15:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Hatnotes must not contain redlinks per WP:REDHAT. I've added a {{ill}} link to no:Mehus in List of villages in Nordland, which IMO is the cleanest way to make a cross-language link. Narky Blert (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The surname seems to have a range of origins, and it doesn't make sense for us to say that the Flemish painter had a Norwegian name. Just for interest, one "John de Mehus" crops up in various sources, as possibly earliest holder of a variety of surnames such as Muse, Mewsse or Mewis. The one source in this surname page was misquoted anyway: it says it means "middle house", while our article said it said "my house". Ouch. Have corrected it. PamD 16:20, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm beginning to lean back to the idea that we need a dab page with entries for the surname, the Norwegian village, and the Indian village (isn't exactly sourced in the article but the existence of its police station is, which seems good enough to be going on with). Then the surname page can say it's both a Flemish and a Norwegian/American surname, and cite the Oxford source about the latter. Two tiny pages, but I'm beginning to think it's the only way we can do it. For those who've suggested redirecting to the list of Norwegian villages, with a hatnote to navigate to our friend Livio the Flemsih painter, just think about it - it's a massive list, hatnotes would be at the top miles away from the mention of the village, and if that sort of hatnote became common the list would be top-heavy with a mega hatnote for all sorts of village names which had other meanings. No, please, no. PamD 16:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    PamD, I just added the reference to my house. Apologies for the original research as I was going from memory as a kid. I think it does, loosely translated, also mean my house. Nevertheless, we should go with what the source said. Doug Mehus T·C 16:40, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I added the Oxford Dictionary of American Family Names source, which is excellent, I think. I'm not sure why this source wasn't used in the first place over the now defunct "moosenames.com." Doug Mehus T·C 16:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If nothing else, we've got multiple experienced editors, and even an administrator, working on this long-neglected orphan page. So, that's great. ;-) Doug Mehus T·C 16:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are about five or six entries on this page. That's too much for hatnotes. Smartyllama (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:HEY. --kingboyk (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I am neutral no longer; I'm certain we can find one more source to replace the "citation needed" tags and, thus, meet any notability guidelines for a surname stub page, and per WP:HEY to PamD and me. So, I'm voting "keep" on my own nomination. If Narky Blert decides to change his !vote, I may withdraw this as "speedy keep," or just let it play out. Doug Mehus T·C 21:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but classify as {{surname}} not {{disambiguation}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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