Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meena Mangeshkar
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Deenanath_Mangeshkar. (unless a better target can be found). The "Delete" commenters are correct that there is no significant sourcing - passing mentions etc. In a BLP this is clearly important. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Meena Mangeshkar
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Unable to find any reliable sources independent of the subject to establish notability. Have found a few pieces that mention her but are primarily about someone else, in two of the three articles one of her sisters. Does not appear to pass WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. J04n(talk page) 21:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —J04n(talk page) 21:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. —J04n(talk page) 21:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I have sourced the article now. She was notable on her own right - Sung a number of songs for major Bollywood films and composed music for a few Marathi films. This taken together meets WP:MUSICBIO (specifically #2, through her song for Mother India). Online coverage is thin because she has always been overshadowed by her more popular sisters. Though the coverage on the Mangeshkar clan mostly focuses on Lata and Asha, it gives enough information to establish Meena's notability. The references i have added describe her variously as "singer on her own right", "iilustrious", "came to dominate playback singing" etc; Also note that she was in the peak of her career in the 50s and 60s, so more detailed offline coverage - Hindi, English and Marathi - most certainly exists.--Sodabottle (talk) 03:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources given are all trivial mentions in articles about Lata Mangeshkar except for Maharashtra: birthplace of Indian film industry, which mentions one film she worked on. Let's not pseudo-source an article. Hekerui (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- But, the sources do support some of the statements in the article. There are three major claims in the article : a) she belongs to Mangeshkar family b)she sang some songs c) she composed music for some films. If the sources about Lata, do mention these facts about Meena, what is wrong in using them as sources?. I have used the first four sources to establish a)she is a singer b) she belongs to Mangeshkar family. The fifth ref is for her work in Marathi films. How does this become pseudo sourcing?--Sodabottle (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I agree that the sources added to the article establish a) she belongs to Mangeshkar family b)she sang some songs c) she composed music for some films, but I don't see how they establish notability. They certainly don't show that the subject meets criterion 2 of WP:MUSICBIO which says the subject has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. I just don't see how she meets WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage and significant coverage is more than a trivial mention. J04n(talk page) 13:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The song Duniya Main Hum Aaye Hain in Mother India (i have added a reference to the music review now) sung by her (along with her sisters) definitely qualifies as a single in India's national music chart (though there isnt a single music chart for India, this is a film that ranks no 3 in all time box office hits, thus it can be taken as an equivalent). Thus MUSICBIO is met. And i never said the references meet GNG, only that offline coverage from the 50s and 60s surely must exist.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I agree that the sources added to the article establish a) she belongs to Mangeshkar family b)she sang some songs c) she composed music for some films, but I don't see how they establish notability. They certainly don't show that the subject meets criterion 2 of WP:MUSICBIO which says the subject has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. I just don't see how she meets WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage and significant coverage is more than a trivial mention. J04n(talk page) 13:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- But, the sources do support some of the statements in the article. There are three major claims in the article : a) she belongs to Mangeshkar family b)she sang some songs c) she composed music for some films. If the sources about Lata, do mention these facts about Meena, what is wrong in using them as sources?. I have used the first four sources to establish a)she is a singer b) she belongs to Mangeshkar family. The fifth ref is for her work in Marathi films. How does this become pseudo sourcing?--Sodabottle (talk) 12:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - For the same reasons as above. Shivashree (talk) 03:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per J04n - no criterion of WP:MUSICBIO and no significant coverage, and notability is not conferred from relatives. Hekerui (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per J04n --Epeefleche (talk) 01:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and Redirect to Deenanath Mangeshkar, unless non-trivial mentions are found in reliable sources. I think non-online Marathi-language sources about Meena Mangeshkar might exist. utcursch | talk 08:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 01:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply] - The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.