Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Mason (singer)

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The result was keep. Consensus seems to be that Mason has done enough before & after winning his music competition, and has enough coverage in reliable sources, to be kept. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 18:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Mason (singer)

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WP:BLP1E. Won a TV talent show, did nothing else at all. BLP prod removed in May, but the sources all date from his CMT Superstar win. He has done nothing at all since, or if he has, no sources have paid him any attention. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Confirmed winner of a television contest, but one that is hardly up to Nashville Star or AI levels. No record release or much of anything else, so no real need for an article, and a redirect for a minor competition isn't needed. Nate • (chatter) 23:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to CMT's Next Superstar as a plausible search item. Till 01:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(Snow?) Keep, I doubt that winning a notable music competition meets the definition of BLP1E... otherwise clearly meets WP:ANYBIO#1 and WP:MUSICBIO#9 (Has won or placed in a major music competition). Anyway this is not even a BLP1E, as the subject was previously finalist in one another notable music competition in 2006 and for that he received adequate coverage at the time ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]). So... surely passes WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:MUSICBIO#1 and WP:MUSICBIO#9, probably more. Cavarrone (talk) 22:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is still a WP:BLP1E since literally 100% of the coverage centers around the time of his win. He fell off the face of the earth afterward and no one said a word about him. A brief flurry of coverage for winning a competition isn't enough if he did absolutely bupkis after the fact. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Literally 100% of the coverage centers around the time of his win"? All the coverage I linked above is from 2006. Cavarrone (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see one local mention of a concert (not a sufficient source for notability as determined by WP:NMUSIC) and coverage from the time he was on Nashville Star. So far, all I see is "He was on Nashville Star and CMT's Next Superstar", literally nothing else. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"I see...coverage from the time he was on Nashville Star". Sure, I wrote it above. He was finalist (finished fourth) in a notable 2006 music competition and received coverage for it (one event), then in 2011 he won one another notable music competition and again received coverage for it (one another event). = this is not a BLP1E. Cavarrone (talk) 00:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then he's a BLP2E. Literally 99.9% of the coverage ties him to one of two shows. He has done nothing else AT ALL. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It would be hard to justify snowball clause for keep when there is a delete and a redirect (plus the delete of the nomination) as the only preceeding points. Snowball might have worked for close, but not keep (based solely on the preceeding entries). --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not requesting anything (see parenthesis). Cavarrone (talk) 06:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – This person passes WP:BASIC and WP:GNG:

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again, local coverage or directly tied to the TV shows he was on. He has done nothing but fail at two reality singing shows. No CDs, no albums, nothing. Just being a low ranking contestant on one and a winner on another is not enough if he's done nothing else; compare Angela Hacker. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "nothing" is relative. He is doing many live concerts (and it is verifiable): [10], [11], [12]. Cavarrone (talk) 06:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does that not fall under "as articles that simply report performance dates", which WP:NMUSIC clearly states as insufficient source? You can't build an article entirely on "He'll be performing here, here and here". Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 13:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yawn... it seems you have a failure to understand.... you said he did "nothing" after the winning, I documented it is not true, as he is still pretty active. These sources were offered just to confute your statement. That said, nor the Roanke Times article (a review) nor The Maine Edge article are "articles that simply report performance dates". Cavarrone (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Failing to win a competition doesn't seem a notable thing (possible exception if it's a fight to the death or similar). That would leave the only notable thing being the other competition. That leaves a clear cut case of BLP1E. --Nouniquenames (talk) 04:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:BLP1E better. The subject clearly fails the first two requirements. Cavarrone (talk) 06:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and my sincere apologies. --Nouniquenames (talk) 06:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He won a major TV talent show. Explain how that doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC. Just because he only won one talent show is irrelevant; that's like saying "X isn't notable because they only had one number one". --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because WP:NMUSIC only says that someone may be notable for winning one. Plus, if you've done literally jack shit after the fact, then you're really not that notable now are you? Use some goddamn common sense. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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