Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massage for Relaxation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doubtful notability. Most of the sources look to be just mentions and run-of-the-mill. Article itself is basically WP:PROMO. PepperBeast (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Health and fitness. PepperBeast (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect to Massage, this really doesn't add anything more than the promotion of a ho-hum instructional video, one among many. It may merit a one-sentence mention over there, but since it doesn't even seem to have been the very first one, probably not even that much actually. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. (i.e. reviews). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Massage for Relaxation" was the first instructional internationally-distributed video on the market. I can safely say this as co-owner of New & Unique Videos, a production and distribution company established in 1985. Our company attended many VSDA and NATPE conventions at that time to make distribution deals and there were no other professionally produced massage videos in existence until Sherri Belafonte came out with hers in 1987, two years AFTER "Massage for Relaxation."

If Chiswick Chap using wishy washy language ("may merit" "doesn't seem" "probably") believes there were any other professionally-produced and distributed instructional massage videos prior to this one, please post evidence. BTW, most instructional videos made in the year 1985 are now considered "ho-hum" because they are nearly 40 years old and cannot possibly compare to today's standards in video. There is an industry now that exists merely to poke fun at VHS tapes from the 1980s.

"Massage for Relaxation" was the first video to introduce the idea of self massage and show self-massage techniques, which makes it notable. It was a three-camera shoot in a San Diego studio, also notable at the time. It was produced by a woman (me) which is also notable for its time. Try not to compare what happened in the 1980s using today's standards, or you will erase history the way a bunch of men burned down the Alexandria Library to eradicate the work of Hypatia. The result: Historians now have to cobble together any pertinent history about her via letters she wrote to a student. Her more important works were burned down and went up in smoke with the library.

You may notice that just about every Youtube video about massage these days is called "Massage for Relaxation." However, New & Unique Videos holds the copyright for that title.

To conclude, Wikipedian Michael Q. Schmidt, is the person who wrote the "Massage for Relaxation" article. In his opinion, and mine, too, it is better to improve an article than to summarily delete it. Patty Mooney (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.