Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maryam Jameelah

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The result was keep. John254 03:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maryam Jameelah

Ancient article, but for the life of me I don't see verifiable notability from reliable sources. This isn't some sectarian thing - I'll be happy to withdraw this if I'm wrong - but I think we should delete. - crz crztalk 04:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. - crz crztalk 04:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. - crz crztalk 04:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete per nom. this is about the closest thing I can find to an official biography. It doesn't really take us any further than what's in the article already; she's a journalist and writer, a convert from Judaism to Islam. I can't find any independent reviews of her books (other than on Amazon etc, which I don't think count as "independent") or any other sources that can prove her notability. Of course, if such sources do exist, the article can stay. Tevildo 04:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Stong Keep: One of the most important converts to Islam in 20th centuary. --Suchmuch 05:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A couple of references for that assertion would be a great help. Tevildo 05:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You can search on google to go through her profile. Check the list of her books on Amazon[1], & WorldCat [2]. --Suchmuch 05:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, that proves she's a writer. We need to prove that she's a notable writer: that she's "received multiple independent reviews of or awards for her work", to quote WP:BIO. Tevildo 05:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't want to argue on this any more. I don't remember her appearing on the cover of Times. --Suchmuch 05:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - You don't need to be on the cover of Times to be notable. What a most western biased view of the world one needs to have in order to hold such a claim--Striver - talk 10:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep even if we ignore the list of Muslim sites that view her notable, and even if you ignore her long list of works that are available on amazon and google books, you still see that islam-haters like Daniel Pipes [3], John L. Esposito [4]and even bigots like Ali Sina on Faith Freedom International [5] view her notable enough to use as examples. --Striver - talk 10:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then we also have her long correspondence with Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi [6]--Striver - talk 10:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Pipes and Faith Freedom references are literally trivial mentions. And the Esposito is a straight assassination piece! We can't possibly use that to write the article. I still don't see a single normal work about her life and/or about her work/significance. - crz crztalk 13:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but the line "essayist, poet, journalist and author" seems like puffery. I can't find any evidence that she's a poet or a journalist. Essayist/author can be better summed as up as writer. I'm going ahead with that change. If anyone comes up with evidence that she's a poet or a journalist in a substantial way (i.e. not just having a few poems in her books and not just a couple of random pieces printed somewhere and not implying that an opinion piece is the same as journalism), of course make changes again Bwithh 12:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So there was already another line saying she is an author of X number of books. So I just left it at that. The convert bit is the first thing now, which makes more sense. She hasn't written on any other subject it seems Bwithh 12:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but expand and put some more independent sources in it or we will have another AfD within a month Alf photoman 15:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm unable to find any useful non-trivial mentions from independent sources and none of te ones given above qualify. JoshuaZ 18:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep She has been discussed as one of the most prominent figure in Islamism in the following scholarly paper:

S. V. R. Nasr, Islamist Intellectuals of South Asia: The Origins and Development of a Tradition of Discourse, Studies in Contemporary Islam, 1 (1999), 2:16–43

I can't see the reason to delete the biography, although I agree that the article should be expanded. TruthSpreader^reply 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This person had some press, particularly in the early 70's due to her conversion. Alot of articles I've found are subscription only, but they are there. [7]. --Oakshade 05:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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