Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manos family

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Manos family

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Unreferenced since 2006, we already have an article listing everyone with the surname "Manos", nothing found in my WP:BEFORE for the Manos family as a whole. Fails WP:GNG/WP:LISTN. FOARP (talk) 11:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(←) @FOARP: I was actually going to expand this article and reference it properly because I am gathering information related to the Manos family. They are a notable family due to being one of the Phanariot families and apart from that, being part of the Greek royal family through Aspasia Manos. I would suggest to delete this Manos (name) and I will proceed to expand it. Thank you in advance. Othon I (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to indicate the notability of Aspasia Manos, not the Manos family, but feel free to post your sources. FOARP (talk) 12:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the article and I am working on adding more material. Unsourced material has been deleted. Thanks Othon I (talk) 12:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, but I reserve the right to change my mind. (1) It's not appropriate, in any case, to delete Manos (name). If you are serious about doing so, Othon I, then you must prod it or create a new AfD; it cannot be smuggled through on this one. There may be other people with the name Manos whose relation to this family we cannot prove (e.g. John_Michael_Manos). Wikipedia has lists of people who share a family name so that our readers can find the one they're looking for. It's fundamentally wrong to deny our readers the chance to find the right Manos because we've decided to have a list restricted to the select ones who belong to a particular clan. That is why the name article is important, even if the family article is kept. But (2) in its current state the article is ripe for deletion. Apart from the name-list, it is very obviously one person's personal opinion ("...for reasons I mentioned..."), using vocabulary that isn't appropriate ("...to the unquestionable benefit..."; we can't say "unquestionable" unless someone in a reliable source said it's beyond question; this is a description of a human opinion about the benefit, rather than a blatant fact, and must be assigned to a person). But worst, the whole thing is unsourced. Not one reference. If the family really are that influential, I would expect there to be loads of stuff about them in good history books and articles, and a string of influential figures throughout history, not a jump from 1699 to 1869, and a list of only three notable people. But this is why I reserve the right to change my mind: if someone finds some good historical sources, and puts them in, and I'll consider a Keep! Note also, current text looks fairly similar to [1] but I don't know who copied who. Elemimele (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete perhaps create a template for bottom of the page which can be used to link the ones with existing pages.Gusfriend (talk) 07:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.