Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MCW Cruiserweight Championship

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, as so often happens with these mass nominations. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MCW Cruiserweight Championship

Article about a title held in a minor league wrestling promotion, simply not notable or encyclopedic. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:[reply]

Keep the Heavyweight and Tag Team Titles, no opinion on the others. MCW is one of the bigger indy feds out there, so their titles are pretty notable. TJ Spyke 06:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Evidence of the titles being notable please? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Independent, pre-determined, low-level fake wrestling titles are not notable. Biggspowd 06:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The titles are real. Unless you are showing your bias torwards professional wrestling, whether wrestling is real or not doesn't make any difference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs) 08:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Delete all Rabid wrestling fan objections aside, this is neither notable nor referenced. As an editor stated above, "Independent, pre-determined, low-level fake wrestling titles are not notable". /Blaxthos 16:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've provided independent, non-trivial and reliable sources, specifically Gary Will's "Wrestling Title Histories" and supported by the Puroresu Dojo and Solie's Title Histories, for all the nominated articles in question (these sources are used as reliable references on most wrestling-related articles including featured list, List of WWE Champions). As for the status of Maryland Championship Wrestling, the promotion itself was previously deleted due to an expired prod tag in regards to its lack of content as opposed to being non notable and is presently on WikiProject Professional wrestling's to do list to be recreated at a later date. MadMax 05:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the sources are non-trivial, why is there so little information about the actual titles in the articles? All I'm seeing is a directory of who held the title. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also the claim of multiple sources is technically incorrect, as the sources are all the same directory information repeated across the sources, thus failing WP:N. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 05:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nominator, sources provided thus far appear to be trivial in nature. RFerreira 07:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For me even to consider keeping these there would need to be a main article for the organization Maryland Championship Wrestling as you can see it's red! So I am going to abstain for the moment. Govvy 12:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per inability to provide reliable non-trivial sources about the subject. Burntsauce 17:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All as per reasons outlined by MadMax. I would agree though that someone needs to put together an article for the promotion (something I'm not willing to do at this time.Theophilus75 05:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added CommentOne of the stated reasons of the Wikiproject Professional Wrestling is: "To create and edit featured article quality professional wrestling articles on Wikipedia, with the intent of making Wikipedia an accurate and valued reference for pro wrestling information." Note the last half of that! In order for me to view Wikipedia as a valued reference for pro wrestling information I would expect to find this type of information. Theophilus75 05:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In that case, they would be better served making sure the information they add meets notability guidelines. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All - reliable non-trivial souce has been provided, the fact that the articles aren't that very detailed right now is not a matter of notability, nor a legit reason for deletion MPJ-DK 18:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No, a directory entry source has been provided, that's simply repeated by the other sources. This is not sufficient to meet WP:N, which requires multiple sources, not sources that are restatements of each other. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've restored Maryland Championship Wrestling which, I feel at this point, is referenced enough to the point that it establishes these titles as part of a notable professional wrestling organization. MadMax 20:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep These are just lists really, they seem to do the job, but like One Night In Hackney said, they aren't very notable or have much citation. But they are recognisable. Govvy 14:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.