Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of vehicle nameplate sales figures

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The result was Redirect to List of automobile sales by model as this is a duplicate article. Any content worth merging can be retrieved from the page history. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of vehicle nameplate sales figures

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I had a bit of a fiddle with this but am still not convinced it makes a useful encyclopedia article so am bringing it here to see what others think. This was a ranked list of bestselling vehicles, but was a WP:SYNTHESIS compiled over a period of time from individual sales figures. I moved it from List of bestselling vehicle nameplates as that title was misleading - the list was incomplete but presented itself as a ranked list of sales figures. However there were no cited lists, just individual cites, so there was no way of knowing what night be missing. For example Daewoo Matiz and Ford Transit are missing, the later being the best-selling light commercial vehicle in Europe for 40 years. Without citations to a reliable complete list, this is nothing other than a random collection of figures listed in numerical order. The only way to improve it would be to cite a ranked list of sales figures, but that would be no different from starting over. Should we retain it? Is it encyclopedic? Pontificalibus (talk) 11:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I like the list and think it should stay. I see various claims on different vehicle pages about being the best selling model or the best selling nameplate but it's hard to verify this without checking sales figures on EVERY vehicle page. A centralised list goes a long way to solving this. However, as pointed out, the existing article does have a few problems.

Similar lists I've seen in magazines over the years are normally localised (US only, UK only, etc) or restricting in subject (best selling sports car, best selling commercial vehicle, etc) or limited in both ways. So I don't expect to find any sources to copy from directly - even if copyright allowed us to copy the entire list. A tag saying that the list is not necessarily complete will help.
Reformatting as a sortable table will help.
And to somehow make it automatically generated from data in the articles would be wonderful if I knew how to do it - perhaps a new template added to each vehicle article that looks something like {{vehicle nameplate sales|38000000}} but I have no idea how to implement such a template. Stepho (talk) 03:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with clean up per above proposal, remove all unsourced entries for a start. I would like to point out to the nominator that rather than complaining about missing entries such as Ford Transit, it is up to them add entries in, that is what Wikipedia is for. Donnie Park (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was using that vehicle as an example to show that the list cannot be complete (and therefore useful) unless the entire list is referenced as a whole, with a source giving a reliable list. Simply referencing each entry won't ensure they are in the correct order. --Pontificalibus (talk) 19:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete first thought why would the sale of vehicle Nameplates be notable they cant be that many that are stolen from cars and then resold, although VW nameplates are popular. Not sure if it is American terminolgy but it had me confused. Then I realised it actually should be List of automobile sales by model which already exists and the very similar List of bestselling automobiles. MilborneOne (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll change my vote to Delete since duplicate articles are bad. Stepho (talk) 04:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/suggestion. I was the one who created List of automobile sales by model, after doing a fairly comprehensive cleanup of this article. However, in retrospect I think I should have just moved this instead of creating a new article from scratch. Therefore, in the spirit of the GFDL's page history retention requirements, could a history merge with List of automobile sales by model be attempted instead of outright deletion? After all, this did come first. Regards, --DeLarge (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- addendum I've just noticed that I suggested a merge of the two pages at Talk:List of automobile sales by model#Merge/redirect of List of bestselling vehicle nameplates almost eighteen months ago. The more I think about it, the better I reckon a merge/redirect would be. It'd also let us retain a redirect, plus keep the old talk page which mentions when the article was cited as a source by the NZ Herald in 2006. --DeLarge (talk)

Merge per DeLarge. (I didn't yet express a view on what should happen in my nomination, also wasn't aware of the existence of List of automobile sales by model!) --Pontificalibus (talk) 19:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.