Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tests
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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This article is a incomplete (and never will be complete) list of tests. The tests cross many disciplines and really I don't see how this is useful or acceptable under the MOS Stand alone list policy. If I were to add all the medical tests that I personally can rhyme off this article would be so large it would be even less useful yet still incredibly incomplete. Mrfrobinson (talk) 23:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- Support on policy grounds Looking at the list of reasons for deletion, I think reason 4 and reason 14 apply here. This is not an encyclopedic topic, and it tends to attract spam links set up by the test publishers. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 02:05, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:LISTPURP as navigational list of articles, complementary to Category:Tests per WP:CLN. It is irrelevant that it will never be complete (especially as it is limited to tests that merit articles, i.e., notable tests, and not merely all tests that exist). If the number of entries grows large enough, then it could simply be split into sublists by topic/field just like we do with other large lists. Re: the "attract spam links" argument by the above !voter, that's not something we consider a valid reason for deletion; see WP:SUSCEPTIBLE or WP:NOTCLEANUP. postdlf (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NOTDUP and WP:LISTPURP. This list is complementary to Category:Tests and subcategories therein, and is a useful navigational aid. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 06:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep When fully developed, this will be a list of lists like legal test. Such a hierarchy seems sensible for navigation. Andrew (talk) 09:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
- An article like legal test is logical, it is easily defined. A general list of tests like this article is hard to define, provides no means of navigation and it could potentially include millions of articles. Mrfrobinson (talk) 00:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- It provides indexing of and navigation between articles that are about tests, the same as Category:Tests. That's why WP:NOTDUP was cited above (really, you should read it). It is limited to only tests that have articles, and this is typical for lists of X where not all Xs that exist are notable. If we were fortunate enough to have millions of valid articles about notable tests (however unlikely that is), then we'd convert it into a list of lists as is typical practice for lists that grow too large. So you haven't offered any valid arguments for deletion. postdlf (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- Hi there, I have read WP:NOTDUP and your suggestion to "read it" is not assuming good faith. The problem I have with this list is it has no defining characteristic and is open to really anything being added. It is not useful for navigation nor does it help someone locate the test they would like to find. In fact I would argue it does the exact opposite to your keep point. It would be akin to an article of a general list of companies instead of lists of companies under defining characteristics (see Category:Lists_of_companies which manages this under a container category instead of a huge unusable list). This article should be deleted and the content merged to area specific lists (i.e. legal test) as this would aid in navigation. You have not provided any valid argument for not deleting this article besides quoting various policies and not providing any content to your argument . Please WP:AGF next time thank you. Mrfrobinson (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- I suggested you read it because your comments displayed no understanding or awareness of WP:CLN generally or WP:NOTDUP specifically, given the length at which that guideline explains that lists of articles and categories are complementary navigational tools. The inclusion criteria for List of tests is the same as for Category:Tests, so if we can verifiably categorize an article as a "test" we can verifiably include it in a list of tests. I don't see any evidence that there's been confusion on that point, and even if there were we've certainly dealt capably with much more thorny issues with list inclusion than "is this article about a test?"
"This article should be deleted and the content merged to area specific lists..." Um, that's not deletion. That's development of the list into sublists, which as noted above would be done whenever editors think that would be useful to do, probably because of WP:SIZE. In the meantime, headers already organize List of tests topically, so your opinions that it should be replaced by area-specific lists or that it doesn't help readers find what articles we have on tests don't make any sense at all. postdlf (talk) 21:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- I suggested you read it because your comments displayed no understanding or awareness of WP:CLN generally or WP:NOTDUP specifically, given the length at which that guideline explains that lists of articles and categories are complementary navigational tools. The inclusion criteria for List of tests is the same as for Category:Tests, so if we can verifiably categorize an article as a "test" we can verifiably include it in a list of tests. I don't see any evidence that there's been confusion on that point, and even if there were we've certainly dealt capably with much more thorny issues with list inclusion than "is this article about a test?"
- Hi there, I have read WP:NOTDUP and your suggestion to "read it" is not assuming good faith. The problem I have with this list is it has no defining characteristic and is open to really anything being added. It is not useful for navigation nor does it help someone locate the test they would like to find. In fact I would argue it does the exact opposite to your keep point. It would be akin to an article of a general list of companies instead of lists of companies under defining characteristics (see Category:Lists_of_companies which manages this under a container category instead of a huge unusable list). This article should be deleted and the content merged to area specific lists (i.e. legal test) as this would aid in navigation. You have not provided any valid argument for not deleting this article besides quoting various policies and not providing any content to your argument . Please WP:AGF next time thank you. Mrfrobinson (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- It provides indexing of and navigation between articles that are about tests, the same as Category:Tests. That's why WP:NOTDUP was cited above (really, you should read it). It is limited to only tests that have articles, and this is typical for lists of X where not all Xs that exist are notable. If we were fortunate enough to have millions of valid articles about notable tests (however unlikely that is), then we'd convert it into a list of lists as is typical practice for lists that grow too large. So you haven't offered any valid arguments for deletion. postdlf (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
- An article like legal test is logical, it is easily defined. A general list of tests like this article is hard to define, provides no means of navigation and it could potentially include millions of articles. Mrfrobinson (talk) 00:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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