Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of streets in Hamilton, Ontario

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of streets in Hamilton, Ontario (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

WP:NOT#INFO. I return to my favorite AFD argument, and one of the first I ever used on these pages: if we had an article on every city and town about all its roads and streets, the size of Wikipedia would spiral out of control. If we won't have them all, we should not have any. YechielMan 03:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• "out of control"? Not at all... even 1 million such articles wouldn't come close to using up the storage space Wikipedia already has sitting empty. Text files just don't take up much space, deleting articles to save space isn't necessary or wanted. This is what "Wikipedia is not paper" is about. At any rate, this particular article doesn't seem terribly useful in present form but could probably be expanded to cover streets there's actual encyclopedic information on. --W.marsh 03:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, on looking closer this article does have some useful, encyclopedic information... especially impressive since it was frantically rushed to AfD no less than 1 minute after creation! keep. --W.marsh 03:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You have a point. There is some useful information (see the references section). I just don't like the premise of the article. YechielMan 06:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. We seem to have {Category:Roads in Hamilton, Ontario}. Manik Raina 03:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just as an aside, you can link to categories like this: [[:Category:Roads in Hamilton, Ontario]]. See? Category:Roads in Hamilton, Ontario. --W.marsh 03:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete we already have a CAT, that's all we need. Bigman17 05:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:NOT#DIR. Wikipedia is not an index to a road atlas. Citicat 05:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |[reply]
• Weak keep The list provides information that cannot be given in the category, especially the sourced origin of names for streets that are not notable enough for their own articles, which is too encyclopedic to actually belong in a road atlas. –Pomte 06:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Lists should not be lists of non-notable things. This list has no criteria for inclusion other than "it's a street in Hamilton." Out!! --Brianyoumans 07:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Wait, are you saying we shouldn't put the whole Hamilton phone book on Wikipedia? Why not, pixels are free? Oh, policy! This is an encylopedia not a directory. Silly me.Obina 09:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article has non-directory style information, such as name origins, age information, usage, etc. That's encyclopedic information, not directory information. --W.marsh 13:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per WP:NOT#IINFO, lists of non-notable topics are generally a bad idea, Wikipedia is not a directory. Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 10:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of these roads are notable enough for an article (e.g. they meet WP:N. And read WP:NOT#IINFO, this doesn't come close to being any of the 8 items covered by it. --W.marsh 13:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable enough for a category? Category:Roads in Hamilton, Ontario. Obviously notable enough for a list which can carry far more information than a category ever could. Jcuk 13:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - A list like this with short descriptions of the roads is probably a better solution than creating lots of short articles for each road, particularly if the such road is not very notable. The list needs to have stricter criteria for incllusion though. --Polaron | Talk 14:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - That's not the only city that has a list of streets article. Why Hamilton would not deserve it's own. I agree, they need to add up articles on various streets (although have to contain attractions, or travelled heavily, etc.)--JForget 20:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • How exactly would you define a street with "attractions" or "heavy traffic"? --Wafulz 23:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The category exists and already covers streets that have articles. This list will simply end up being an arbitrary collection of street names. Notability on such a small scale is impossible to decide objectively, and I can easily see this list being all-inclusive, unmaintainable and arbitrary with hundreds or thousands of additions being thrown in (ie, a directory). Also, the AfD notice was removed, so I've reinserted it. --Wafulz 23:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOT#DIR. Maybe I should write List of people in Hamilton Ontario . Some of the people are notable enough for their own articles. How about List of mailboxes in Hamilton, Ontario and List of lamp posts in Hamilton, Ontario. Edison 04:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I actually saw a section of an article once which was just a directory of every mailbox in the area, I guess whoever added them thought it would be useful if you were logged onto Wikipedia and suddenly needed to post a letter, but didn't know where to go Croxley 21:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:NOT#DIR. Let Rand McNally (or the Canadian equivalent) handle the maps and atlases, please. --Calton | Talk 05:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Wikipedia is not a directory Croxley 21:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete we already are agreed that we should have articles on notable streets. This does not imply that we should have a list of the others. This is particularly needless with the web maps that are widely available. DGG 03:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Well, Hamilton, Ontario is actually a big city, and if you take a look around Wikipedia, like Toronto, they too, have a page like this. Actually, all these roads, have some historical topics, and notable topics to it.  Smcafirst | Chit-Chat | SIGN  posted at 19:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I do not think WP:NOT#DIR applies here, given the additional historical information presented in the article. On the one hand, the encyclopedic information presented in the list is better suited to the individual articles. One the other, having one list of all roads rather than 100+ one-sentence articles for every road is a reasonable means of organising content. I also don't find the argument that other cities lack such lists a convincing reason to delete. So, I believe it would be prudent to keep and discuss content organisation issues on the talk page. -- Black Falcon 03:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.