Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Tom Petty

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This is basically a WP:SNOW close, as there is a clear consensus to keep at this time, and no realistic chance that a consensus to delete will overtake it. bd2412 T 21:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs recorded by Tom Petty

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Short unreferenced list of songs Jax 0677 (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 15:44, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. An album is a reference for the songs it contains, and none of the information present currently goes beyond those basic facts of credits, track length, etc. This obviously could be expanded further, the discussion should continue based on whether it should be, not on its current state as the nomination wrongly implies (see WP:BEFORE, WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE). postdlf (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per standard practice (there is a massive category of lists of songs recorded by artists). I'm surprised this page is incomplete however and can only wonder if there is a nearest equivalent that we can just merge with or redirect to. Ajf773 (talk) 17:22, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as of now there are 174 similar articles. If these articles are deemed inappropriate for Wikipedia then that should be the subject of a broader debate. As long as "Songs recorded by..." is deemed a suitable Wikipedia article subject I see no basis to delete this, as there are plenty of sources for Tom Petty's songs, such as [1]. Rlendog (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - "List of songs" articles are generally created when the amount of work is sizable, and a sufficiently large page can be created. In this case, the page that exists is small, unreferenced, and needs a great deal of work before it can be suitable for Wikipedia. At this point, it is fairly redundant to Tom Petty discography. BTW, is anyone going to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bebe & Bassy Tour? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything you just said just contradicts the discussion so far without responding to it. Are you just completely unfamiliar with the subject? Because it should be obvious otherwise that "a sufficiently large page can be created" for an internationally famous musician with a recording career that spanned four decades (see also Category:Songs written by Tom Petty, with around 50 articles on individual songs). We don't delete pages just because they "need a great deal of work", because deletion doesn't get that work done. We work on them and expand them. Please do your due diligence and make sure your further comments demonstrate an awareness of both the content and the policies cited above. postdlf (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - @Postdlf:, for many articles, WP:IDEALSTUB does apply. However, for lists like this, if they are small enough, they can be merged until they become large enough to split. This article is six months old, is still short, and can be merged into another page, or deleted. Should every artist have a page with all of their songs on it? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:56, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We aren't talking about "every artist", we're talking about this one. Or at least everyone else is. You did not attempt nor propose a merge, and we would never delete if merger was a valid option (again, that's in the policies you need to read), but that's moot anyway as consensus is to keep as a separate page and expand, and my support is to keep as well. postdlf (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand. Obviously, Tom Petty has a large number of songs that can be added to this list. If it doesn't get expanded after some time, a bold redirect to Tom Petty discography is not unwarranted. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:09, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand and redirect if necessary, as per Starcheer... List of Tom Petty songs would be notable. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:33, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - While the community still hasn't come to a clear cut standard on how to handle these "List of songs by artist" type lists, it generally believe that it's acceptable when its a musician with a lot of notable, charting songs, and not acceptable when a musician only has a few notable songs. Wherever you draw the line, its pretty hard to make the argument that a decade spanning, multi-band, prolific artist like Tom Petty would fall on the "only a few notable songs" side of things. Sergecross73 msg me 15:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This article does need a lot of work in order to be brought up to an acceptable level. With that said, it has been over six months since the article has had ANY major additions to it. Perhaps the article should be merged until it grows long enough to split. Furthermore, Petty's albums do not constitute a third party reference. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:57, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.