Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of industrial parks by size

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Despite the long discussion, there's only 1 "keep" !vote here (plus one "merge"). I find the "delete" !votes have the stronger arguments. If somebody wishes to merge this to the industrial park article, drop me a note and I will userfy this list. Randykitty (talk) 11:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of industrial parks by size

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This compiled list is original research. There are references for the size of individual parks but nothing to denote their global ranking, so this could just be a list of random parks in size order. I can find no single source specifying the top industrial parks in the world by size, not to mention there is no accepted definition of what constitutes an industrial park compared to say, certain types of special economic zone. If such a source exists this would likely need to be WP:TNTed in any case, and WP:CLEANUP now would see this reduced to an empty list for lack of sourcing. Best to delete it with no prejudice to recreation if proper sourcing for rank can be found. Pontificalibus 08:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 12:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:NOR. Not all industrial parks are notable either. Ajf773 (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, although perhaps should be moved/renamed to simply List of industrial parks, and edited in table form so can be sorted alphabetically or by size. We have Category:Industrial parks with about 20 members, i.e. industrial parks having Wikipedia articles. See wp:CLNT for the general reasoning why list-articles, categories, and navigation templates are complementary. A list-article can have pics and sources and comparative descriptive info, while categories cannot, is one advantage. --Doncram (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The nomination calls for use of essay wp:TNT to justify deletion then recreation of the list-article, which IMO is fundamentally against Wikipedia basic principles. Please see counter-essay wp:TNTTNT. Note that arguing TNT is admitting that the topic is notable, and IMO means this AFD should perhaps be closed SPEEDY KEEP. --Doncram (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Industrial park. Per Doncram having a list of such parks may be a valid topic, but it's OR to have rankings here. I don't see a need for a separate article when the main is so short, it could certainly have a section "The following industrial parks are larger than 1,000 acres" or something. Reywas92^Talk 01:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Leaning delete per the OR concerns. The suggestion to move to List of industrial parks is an interesting one, but difficult because of inclusion criteria. As stated above, there's not a clear distinction between industrial parks and special economic zones. Perhaps the category should also be deleted for that reason. buidhe (formerly Catrìona) 04:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I just moved it to List of industrial parks. It is fine there. I find this AFD discussion silly, do let's just accept it was/is reasonable to move it, and it has been moved, and please go on with your lives. If you want to complain about the current state of the list-article please do so by commenting at its Talk page. This AFD should be closed "Move" to ratify the move or "Keep" to say yes the content has been kept. Enough already. This is ready to be closed. --Doncram (talk) 23:48, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think it's appropriate to rename articles mid discussion. Ajf773 (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete regardless of title. This 35-entry list has the potential scope for thousands if not tens of thousands of industrial parks across the world that are as large or greater than current entry #35's 180 acres. Until there are reliable sources that inventories industrial parks around the world or at least by country to inform this list, it is going to remain a list that horn toots the largest industrial parks near a select few interested editors that they know about. Hwy43 (talk) 00:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Wikipedia does allow and welcome lots of lists like this, such as List of covered bridges and List of fire stations and so on, where the world has lots of whatever type of thing. And these lists work fine. We are just going to list the notable ones, i.e. all the ones that are "Wikipedia-notable" and have a separate article, or just the ones that are "list-item notable", i.e. meeting some standard which can be defined by the editors of the article, to be determined by discussion at its Talk page, most likely including requirement for reliable sourcing on each one. Refining that is a matter for Talk page discussion. By wp:CLNT we certainly allow a list-article to complement the category of these things. --Doncram (talk) 03:36, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.