Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of female chefs with Michelin stars

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure the notability of this article is sufficiently supported by the sources. Sure, the fact that the chefs in this article are women is mentioned in the sources, but how big of an issue is their gender? Along the line of this article, should we also make an article for chefs of African descent with Michelin stars? For red haired chefs with Michelin stars? For obese chefs with Michelin stars? I'm sure that in all the reliable sources about Michelin starred chefs, i could dig up plenty of characteristics other than gender that are mentioned a dozen times in reliable sources, but does that establist sufficient notablitity to warrant an article about it? There may be other lists of female xyz on wikipedia, but that's not an argument to me. If anyone thinks gender is enough of an issue to warrant a list, please support by references. Also, since this is a very inactive corner of WP, let's give the debate a little more time than a weekPizzaMan ♨♨♨ 19:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 19:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. XOR'easter (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The sources indicate that highly-skewed gender representation among Michelin-star winners (Michelin laureates?) is a topic that has received documentable attention. It goes beyond just mentioning that the chefs in the list are women; the gender ratio is a, if not the, primary focus of multiple sources, in the article and elsewhere [1][2][3][4]. When it's the case that of the 120 or so three-starred restaurants around the world, only about six are run by women [5], people tend to write about it. The same is not true, to my knowledge, for chefs belonging to the Red-Headed League. XOR'easter (talk) 19:55, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep largely per XOR. It's a useful reference, and this divide is covered by multiple sources. The additional information added makes this non-redundant to a Category. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7% of all FPs} 22:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keeep. We have women's lists for a variety of reasons, helping to compensate for the gender gap on Wikipedia. Earning Michelin stars represents notable achievement in the profession. The list is adequately sourced.--Ipigott (talk) 07:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is exactly what i was afraid of: this vote seems to be more about pushing a political agenda then wondering whether there are sufficient sources to warrant this article. The fact that one of XOR's (few) sources is yahoo news and one of David Eppstein's sources isn't even in English makes me further doubt the motives of people voting keep here and the notability of the topic.PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 22:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Disparaging the motives of people who contribute to an AfD is, baring presentation of evidence in support of it, an attack upon the person rather than the content of what they write. I strongly encourage you to reconsider. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ipigott literally states it's about the gender gap. That's a political motive. Trying to frame my objection to that as attacking the person is attacking the person yourself and gaming the system on top. Please refrain from doing so. PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 07:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • The Yahoo link was to their copy of an Agence France-Presse story. There is no requirement that sources for Wikipedia articles be in English. (When the subject is gourmet cooking in general and le Guide Michelin in particular, one might reasonably expect a fraction of references to hail from outside the Anglosphere.) I wouldn't call five sources "few"; in my experience, three or more is generally enough to tip !voters to "keep". None of the five I found in my quick WP:BEFORE were in the article yet when I checked, so they're cherries on top of the sources that were already present. XOR'easter (talk) 19:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • Good point about the French sources. I still think the amount of sources is a bit meagre. Especially as a fraction of the total sources in the article. The other voters obviously think otherwise. I really hope this is not politically motivated for the majority. PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 07:50, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep (with a possibility of snow) per XOR, The extremely skew gender imbalance of Michelin Star recipients is clearly a notable topic, well demonstrated by the sources. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per XOR, there is a demonstration that female chefs recieving Michelin stars is a notable subject in reliable sources. It is not an unencyclopedic cross-categorization._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Although many of the references are for individual listings, references 14 ("The Rise of the Female Michelin Star Chef"), 16 ("Michelin 'Can't Do Anything' to Change Lack of Female Representation"), 38 ("10 Female Chefs"), 42 ("les femmes chefs étoilées"), and 61 ("Why do women chefs keep missing out") are all specifically about the general topic of the list, female chefs with Michelin stars. That is, this topic "has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" as required by WP:LISTN. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:36, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This article serves as a good reference to study and compare women's excellence across fields and professions. Stirpicult (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep; I would like to note that while the subject might be an 'inactive corner of WP', AFD itself is not. We're seeing plenty of commentary here on this AfD, so I don't see a need to keep this open for another week just based on that. Given that so many voices are saying keep, I think we're at consensus as is. So, an extension to gain consensus is not needed either. I have to concur with others here that the subject itself is notable, given the coverage in reliable sources. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree there's no need to keep it open longer than a week, assuming the responders here all came here independently. I mention this because part of the responders identify on their user page as being involved in feminism or women subjects. I value the opinion of neutral editors more on the subject.PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 07:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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