Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Latin proverbs

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 11:55, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This was transwikied to wikiquote a while back (q:Latin proverbs), and now exists as an exact copy there. As Angela, Arpingstone, and Quadell have said on the talk page, this is an unencyclopedic list of phrases, and there is precedent for having these on Wikiquote. This is what Wikipeda is not. Therefore, delete. Dmcdevit·t 09:17, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete -- This isn't the Latin Wikipedia. - Longhair | Talk 09:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Invites endless proverb lists in thousands of articles that serve little encyclopedic purpose. -- Xaa 09:34, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - this list links to articles and as I understand they are good to stay so this list organizes and gives context. There are dozens of embarassingly silly lists why remove this one that is valuable. Kpjas 11:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, encyclopedic, as demonstrated by the blue links. Kappa 13:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Useful. Just look at the transwiki links: français, Italiano, Polskim Română, Nederlands, Slovenščina, Српски / Srpski, Svenska. I see we've got out own "Carthago delenda est" tendency alive and kicking on Vicipedia. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 15:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to link to the somewhat larger list of Wikiquote latin phrases. Sure all the "endless proverb lists" that this might invite may need deleting, but this article does serve an organizational purpose. Sirmob 17:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. useful ergo encyclopedic. →uber nemo→ ^{talk edits} 20:31, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
• delete as duplication of wikiquote article. --Tim Pope 20:49, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable and useful. —Seselwa 03:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Useful as a glossary, I think these proverbs are so common that it is encyclopedic. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:46, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There does seem to be a precedent for not keeping pages of proverbs on wikipedia, but moving them to wikiquote instead. The links to English, French, German and Portugese proverbs provided at the bottom of the Latin proverbs page are all simple redirects to Wikiquote. Japanese, Polish and Spanish proverbs send one to a brief description of their use, and then once again redirect to wikiquote. Chinese proverbs trys to send one to wiktionary, but that may have been an accidental mistake. Therefor, we either need to send this page to wikiquote, or pull dozens of pages off of there, and back here. (Or at least duplicate the most important proverbs.) However, I don't know which way it should go. --Icelight 18:03, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't see what Wikiquote has to do with it. These are proverbs (the non-proverbs, such as mottos and epigrams, should be removed) and have no place on Wikiquote, not least because they can seldom be attributed. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 18:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you are misunderstanding the situation (and Wikiquote). Proverbs have always been part of Wikiquote's mandate, since it's founding. They are featured prominently on the main page (just take a look). In fact, Wikiquote's very first, pitful, main page consisted of three links: Albert Einstein, Zen proverbs, and Irish proverbs. This kind of thing is the reason we have Wikiquote. And we at Wikipedia are not the ones to make Wikiquote policy. Also, you're pointing to the other Wikipedias is a bit of a red herring, because all of the Wikipedias have developed their own criteria for inclusion, plenty of subjects have been deleted here but kept on another 'Pedia, or vice versa. We don't follow their precedent, and none of the reasons cited here, like "useful" or "has blue links," make this article encyclopedic. Wiktionary and Wikibooks are both, but we certainly don't want to duplicate them, they still aren't encyclopedic. Dmcdevit·t 21:16, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
      • Okay, I'll take all that on board, while still being completely unable to see that there's a good argument for deletion. If we don't follow Wikiquote's precent, nor that of any of the non-English Wikipedias, then I suggest we completely ignore their existence and just judge the proverbs on their encyclopedic quality, which I think is well nigh unimpeachable. --14:46, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, please. I have used it more than once. Jonathunder 14:15, 2005 August 12 (UTC)
• Keep, I have used this many times and often wouldn't have thought to look in wikiquote. If wikipedia's search engine gets better, to the point where it automatically searches wiktionary, wikiquote, et cetera then perhaps we can revisit the issue. Until then, keep it in both places and we'll periodically merge them. (It is a nuisance that I often must search both the Latin proverbs and the Latin phrases pages for whichever one I'm thinking of; I was just looking for quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur again tonight). If I use it (as a regular contributor here) then I have to presume that there are thousands silent users who also find it useful.JimD 06:54, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, just a list, no information about Latin proverbs, compare with Japanese proverbs. Marc Mongenet 23:19, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

• Just for clarification, do you think that the article needs a paragraph or two about latin proverbs, or needs to consist only of a paragraph or two about latin proverbs. →ubεr nεmo→ ^lóquï 23:34, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

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