Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japan national football team hat-tricks

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Inherently over-complicated discussion that needs to be split into smaller batches. Lumping together lists related to players, national teams, fully professional leagues, semi-professional leagues etc. is not something that is conducive to a sensible discussion. It would be better to allow further comment here before proceeding. Any that are renominated should be grouped into more useful batches (i.e. players, club, leagues, national teams, etc). Fenix down (talk) 09:28, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Japan national football team hat-tricks

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This deletion listing includes all national football team, football league and individual player hat trick lists that I could find.

A hat-trick is a semi-common occurrence in football which while notable in the context of regular news reporting, is not an outstanding achievement in and of itself. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - lists need to have some justification to their existence beyond the collection of statistics. Notable hat-tricks will be described in player, team or where relevant match articles. For national teams or major competitions, results are already listed (eg Japan national football team results and fixtures; Romania national football team results etc). We also list top goalscorers, notable matches, finals etc. These lists simply repackage goals that are listed elsewhere on Wikipedia. It's important to note that, by and large, these lists do not exist outside of Wikipedia: they have been collated together from football results databases. This is evidence, I think, of the indiscriminate and unnecessary nature of these pages, which also makes them border on being original research. There are 200+ national football teams, hundreds of professional football leagues - a list of hat-tricks in each of these is simply unnecessary.

I have excluded List of FIFA Women's World Cup hat-tricks and List of FIFA World Cup hat-tricks for now, on the grounds that these competitions have an irregularity (occurring every 4 years) and prestige which makes hat-tricks within them more notable. There may be other individual articles that editors consider worth saving, which I encourage them to note in their discussion below. Fundamentally, though, these topics are not notable and do not fit Wikipedia's encyclopedic purpose. If football statistics sites do not see fit to create them, I do not see why we should Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:41, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. Absurd to bundle all of these together - they need separate consideration, at least by category (i.e. individual, league or national team). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For example, hat-tricks scored by Scotland players (or the lack of) is clearly a notable subject. Look at this search. Loads of articles in reliable sources discussing the fact that Colin Stein was (for a very long time) the last player to score a hat-trick (eg1 Sky Sports, eg2 The Scotsman). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - completely inappropriate AfD lumping togehter lists related to players, national teams, fully professional leagues, semi-professional leagues etc. I'm not saying that there are not non-notable lists in this group, but that the notion that any list of hat tricks is non-notable is not necessarily correct, that GNG could be satisfied through reliable sourcing potentially. For example, I see no reason why List of Cristiano Ronaldo hat-tricks might not be a notable subject given his outstanding goalscoring record, though I would doubt that List of I-League 2nd Division hat-tricks as a non-fully professional league would be. Fenix down (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.