Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ice Road Truckers episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Close no consensus, I lean to interpret it more likely a weak keep (non-admin closure) xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 02:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ice Road Truckers episodes

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WP:FANCRUFT. The main page is utterly pointless fanwank that gives overly-detailed and unnecessary descriptions of the episodes. Everything is written in an overly informal tone. Yes, this is a long running show, but the amount of detail here is unbearably thick and fancruft-y. This is not the kind of show that seems conducive to an episode list -- it's not episodic in nature, so there are no story arcs or characters to speak of, and no information is gained by retaining this. It'd be like making List of Jeopardy! episodes.

The "Season 1" page is sourced entirely to sources that have literally nothing to do with the show, while each other individual season page is utterly unsourced. This appears to be part of a slow-motion split by Jax 0677, which is merely making things worse by spreading the problems over several pages instead of just one.

Yes, episode lists are generally okay, but in this case, the lists are so fundamentally flawed and overlong. If they are to be kept, then I think some WP:TNT needs to be applied. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 09:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 09:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 09:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect with history in tact to Ice Road Truckers. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:09, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677: What is your reasoning? Just voting without a reasoning is not accepted in XFD. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - To somehow keep the "history in tact". --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:07, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What history? You took the content from another article and nothing you added after is notable or important. What history should exactly be kept? --Gonnym (talk) 18:36, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP ALL Notable series have spin off articles for their seasons. If you don't like how something is written, then tag it with a banner for tone. This nonsense about TNT is ridiculous, you don't destroy valid articles and hope someone will then recreate them with all the problems in them fixed. Dream Focus 20:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's been tagged. Tagging never does anything but clutter up the page even worse. I have literally never seen someone successfully recover a {{fancruft}} tag. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because people who actually read the article enjoy what you consider fancruft. Anyway, can you give me a single example of WP:TNT ever actually working? Would anyone create an article knowing it had been deleted before? Dream Focus 02:43, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:TVSPLIT. I don't understand why you'd want to TNT the pages instead of just making the edits you'd like to make. If the current article offends you, cut out the parts you don't like. -- Toughpigs (talk) 20:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I cut out the parts I didn't like, the page would be blank. There is way, way too much fancruft and tl;dr here that literally the only solution is to nuke it and start over. Just like all the Total Drama subpages that got so bloated that a bureaucrat had to approve the deletion since there were that many edits. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The other solution is to edit each episode down to a few sentences. It doesn't take any special skill or knowledge to turn a four-paragraph summary into a snappy one-paragraph summary. It's just time-consuming and boring, especially for a show that sounds incredibly boring to start with. Personally, I wouldn't do it, because IDON'TLIKEIT. It's fine if you feel the same way, but it's not a valid rationale for TNT. -- Toughpigs (talk) 23:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Having articles for each season (which currently pass WP:TVSPLIT) is merely the symptom. Removing the fancruft from each of these articles would be the proper way of dealing with the cause. Cheers, 1292simon (talk)

Delete the season articles, keep the list of episodes one and restore boldly converted redirects. The season articles where created by splitting content from the list of episodes article. That content should be restored. Season articles are allowed and I personally I'm a big fan of. However, these season articles have nothing to add except MoS:TV violating-badly written prose, with no sources at all. If Jax 0677 or anyone else, wants to create season articles, if this is the quality, then I'm sadly going to recommend they start in the draftspace. These articles are nowhere near ready for mainspace. To be honest, this should really be a case of BRD. The pages where redirects, an article boldly split the content and converted the redirect to an article, and now they should be reverted instead of taken to AfD. --Gonnym (talk) 18:32, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Selective keep/merge all individual seasons to List of Ice Road Truckers episodes as per Gonnym. Also remove the catalogue at the end of the article, this is not encyclopedic either. Ajf773 (talk) 01:22, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:05, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Selective keep/merge Keep most notable episode articles, merge season articles to one article, and rewrite all. Groiglery1217 (talk) 13:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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