Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Game Room games

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to Keep and w/o prejudice to a future renomination. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:29, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of Game Room games

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Similar to other 'List of [x games] on [x platform]', another WP:CATALOG of a huge list of video games for the Game Room virtual arcade. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 14:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep (though should be merged to Game Room, that article is short enough to support the list). Unlike the other lists that are mentioned above, this is not the same type of catalog: this is effectively the list of downloadable content for Game Room. Outside of product availability/discontinuation, it isn't the case of these games being temporarily free - the packs remain(ed?) available to download through the life of the 360 and product. It is equivalent to, say, List of PlayStation Now games, List of Virtual Console games for Nintendo 3DS (North America) and the more general List of Xbox 360 games. To stress, the other lists that were deleted were just listing games that were offered for free for a limited time, which is what made those lists more catalog-like than just a listing. --Masem (t) 15:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Masem:, thanks for your input. I don't see a huge difference there. Maybe it's not very similar to PlayStation Plus and similar listings, but what about List of OnLive games? Game Room itself is no longer available and this is a list of games that were available for purchase for that particular digital distribution channel. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fully aware the differences are extremely subtle. A core one are that the lists I had put to AFD and since were deleted were based on "games free/discounted for a limited time". That's effectively documenting a sale period. Unless that sale had significant downstream effects (And in the ur example of this, Rocket League had temporarily been offered free on the PlayStation at its launch which is reported to have significantly helped the title's popularity and growth, so that sale promotion is documented in the article), we should not include such sales or discounts per NOTCATALOG. To this Game Room list, nothing about sales or promotions are given outside of noting one had to buy some of these , others may have offered free at all times (not a sale/promotion period). These were simply the list of older arcade games that had been made available to this title. One can consider this a game platform, and we generally do document all games available for such platforms. yeeees, this could be considered a catalog to a degree, but again, a key point of the NOTCATALOG argument is that these lists are neutral of any pricing or promotion aspects, simply documenting what one could potentially get. (In this vein, the deleted lists were thus subsets of "List of games for (platform)"). But again, its subtle and a similar question or two were raised in the prior AFDs. --Masem (t) 17:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And also to add, I know we also have some "List of free-to-play" games. While we're talking a $0 price point on these games, these games were always (or retroactively made) to be offered free (which is a notable facet in the vg industry, the whole freemium game model), not as part of a promotional or sale. So that's another difference to consider. --Masem (t) 17:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per Masem. This is not the same as those other lists. --McDoobAU93 16:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. This does appear to be a retrospective catalogue, nothing really providing the list any notability. Ajf773 (talk) 07:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As Masem has demonstrated, this is not a catalogue, as it does not contain pricing or promotional information (i.e. limited-time sales etc.). It is, rather, a list of games for a particular platform, similar to many others on Wikipedia. Phediuk (talk) 23:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Phediuk:, thanks for your input. I'm not assuming I can change your mind in the matter, but Game Room is not a platform, it was a digital distribution channel (why I brought up the redirected List of OnLive games before), or can be even considered an emulator. Maybe WP:CATALOG isn't the right one, but I think WP:NOTDIRECTORY is also accurate. The list is completely unsourced currently to boot, but I won't a jerk to remove the list on the WP:BURDEN principle just to make a WP:POINT. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Game Room *was* an emulator, effectively something like MAME wrapped into a Xbox 360. Players could purchase the game packs which is the equivalent of downloading officially-licensed ROMs of the arcade games.

As for being a distribution channel, that's not true: the game packs were downloadable content for the free Game Room application, and though purchases were made through the Xbox Live store (as with all Xbox 360 titles and DLC).

The NOTDIRECTORY is the one point where this can become naunced. A list of games on a video game platform is apparently okay, but a list of games on a video game storefront is not - a distinction I agree with, considering the Onlive list. There can be 100% overlaps between these, in that for the Game Room games, one can take Game Room to be a "platform" (a ROM emulation engine for several past arcade games) but by necessity, listing them all is listing all the content you can get on the storefront for the game. But this latter aspect is common for nearly any game that has DLC or the like. But that brings up yet another factor to consider which is the sourcing issue. I have not done anything exhaustive yet , but in general, we do consider it fair to list out all DLC available for a game if there has generally been decent coverage of that DLC during the game's run. We have, for example, omitted lists of car packs one can download for some racing games because there's no real major coverage of those in sources, whereas we have lists of songs that could be dl'd for Guitar Hero and Rock Band as when those games were in their heyday, sourcing for the DLC was readily covered. As for Game Room, this is unfortunately the period where Google's news coverage starts to be weak (2010-2011). The idea of Game Room is definitely notable, but whether the coverage of each game pack (this list) is not as assured at least going by RSes. The games that had launched with Game Room are easy to confirm, but not some of the latter packs. (There are lesser RSes that I can use, but I'm considering the better RSes from this project) This might be the line needed - whether there is reasonable coverage of the DLC - to consider keeping the list. Of course, that said, if this list is kept, I'll likely be the first to merge it back into Game Room and source what can be sourced. --Masem (t) 15:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.