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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. There is a consensus here that this list falls under what Wikipedia is not due to its broad scope, and no prejudice against creating shorter, more appropriate lists with narrower selection criteria. Complex/Rational 22:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Android games

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Ryan York has nominated this page for deletion for the reason: There are half a million Android games. This page is clearly not feasible in this format and is misleading, with so many missing games. It is impossible to list every Android game here. Why some android games are listed, but nòt the other ones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan York (talk • contribs) and transcluded to the log at 22:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Repeat after me: AfD is not cleanup. This meets WP: NLIST. Here are seven sources from reputable journalists that demonstrate the subject's notability: 1 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. They discuss subjects ranging from optimizing gaming performance on Android phones to the Google Play Pass to Android games that can be played offline. HyperAccelerated (talk) 01:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Listing hundreds of thousands of Android games in this format is simply not possible, and therefore it is misleading. Additionally,
Category:Android (operating system) games list already exist and provides a structured way to list such games, which is how listings should be done for comprehensive lists like these. Specialized databases and resources like the Google Play Store offer extensive, up-to-date lists, making this Wikipedia page redundant and difficult to maintain. Additionally, many of the games listed here lack a source, which alone demonstrates how flawed this list is. Ryan York (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, none of that's true. This doesn't make sense.

Listing hundreds of thousands of Android games in this format is simply not possible, and therefore it is misleading.

How is it misleading? There is a statement at the top of this list that states: This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources. That makes it very clear that this list doesn't need to be hundreds of thousands of games long. WP: NLIST, which I'm hoping you've read by now, also says that "editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles". That would also make the article much easier to manage.

Category:Android (operating system) games list [sic] already exist [sic] and ... is how listings should be done for comprehensive lists like these.

That's not a valid reason for deletion: "arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion discussion is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided." Please read WP: NOTDUP.

Additionally, many of the games listed here lack a source, which alone demonstrates how flawed this list is.

Repeat after me: AfD is not cleanup. This is the wrong venue for these concerns, no matter how many times you insist that this list is "flawed". You need to write this on the Talk page of the article, per WP: ATD-E. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to keep saying this. It isn't accurate. Having an implausible scope is not, in fact, a cleanup issue. Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Evidently I do, because this is a cleanup issue. I don't think the scope is implausible, and even if it is, this just means that the list should be split into sublists that are manageable (e.g. by genre or name). HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a good sign when you keep saying the same thing over and over again and deletion stances continue rolling in concurrently. I'd recommend some introspection on what's really going on here, and caution you not to WP:BLUDGEON the conversation. Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Administrators look for arguments based on Wikipedia policies when closing discussions, like WP: NLIST. I don't think the current arguments for deletion will hold much weight. At best, most of the reasons here are really just reasons to split the list. I see this going one of two ways: either the list's size can be managed by limiting it to notable games, at which point the article should be kept, or it's too big, at which point we should just split the list by genre or name. Split lists like Lists of murders (edit: and policies like WP: SALAT) show that splitting massive, difficult-to-complete lists is possible, contrary to what has been asserted in this discussion. Also, there is a difference between civil disagreement and bludgeoning -- accusing good-faith editors of violating WP: BLUDGEON isn't funny. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it going one way - deletion - because a scope of half a million titles (and rapidly increasing every day) isn't manageable. Perhaps with more editing experience you'll understand what people are trying to tell you. Perhaps you have to "live it" to understand. And bludgeoning can happen even in good faith. Sergecross73 msg me 14:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you also read any of the seven sources that I listed to show that this meets WP: NLIST? HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The manageability of the list, the proposal to limit entries to notable games or create sublists is not a sufficient solution. Even with these measures, the list remains unwieldy and prone to becoming outdated quickly. The effort required to continuously vet and update the list for notability and accuracy is disproportionate to the benefits it provides.
The argument that deletion discussions are not the venue for cleanup concerns overlooks the fundamental issue of the list’s feasibility. Cleanup is indeed necessary, but the extent of the problems with this list—scope, manageability, and sourcing—indicates that deletion is a more appropriate response. The energy and resources required for ongoing maintenance are better directed towards creating high-quality.
Redundancy with existing categories, unmanageable nature, lack of reliable sourcing, and the disproportionate effort required for maintenance. Deletion will streamline Wikipedia’s content and ensure resources are used more effectively to maintain the quality and reliability of the information provided. The scope is simply too broad. There is a reason why there is no "List of Windows games" or "List of Android apps" on this website. Let me give you another example: I personally log into Wikipedia every day to update lists of Microsoft games and triple-A and double-A console games. Even that can be quite impossible. Ryan York (talk) 16:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of this has anything to do with WP: NLIST. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You either don't want to understand, or you are trolling. Listing 100,000–500,000 games on this format is not possible. If you want to create multiple Wikipedia articles listing Android games by their year or maybe genre, you are welcome to do so. As of now, this list does not even include 1% of Android games, and it is misleading. It is so broad and not up to date that it is simply impossible to list even 1% of the games here. I recommend you check out the List of Europeans discussion. Ryan York (talk) 03:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cut the attitude and answer my question. This is not an invitation to grandstand about your edits on articles that have nothing to do with this AfD, to show that you know how many Android games exist, or to call someone a troll just because they disagree with you. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know there are hundreds of thousands of Android games out there. It's impossible to list them all here, so we'll have to delete this article. Thanks and goodbye Ryan York (talk) 21:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree that this list should be deleted. Attempting to compile a comprehensive list of millions of Android games on Wikipedia is impractical and misleading. Maintaining such a list on Wikipedia would be burdensome and redundant, given the constantly expanding nature of mobile gaming. Deleting this page would uphold Wikipedia's standards for accuracy and relevance, focusing on curated content rather than exhaustive lists. Wariorio10 (talk) 04:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a valid reason for deleting an article. Please read WP: NLIST and WP: NOTDUP. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've reviewed it already. This list should be deleted due to its massive scope. It's not feasible to list half a million games in this format with sources. The largest list in Wikipedia's history, 'List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements,' pales in comparison to the claims made by this list. Wariorio10 (talk) 17:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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