Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Stahl (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 21:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Stahl

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Non-notable actress. Most of her roles are just bit parts. Sources in article are either WP:PRIMARY, directory listings, or passing name-drops. Previous AFD closed as "no consensus" due to socking and WP:ITSNOTABLE arguments. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Florida. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Fashion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:27, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I remember her from Baywatch (in fact I saw the AfD because there is a Baywatch rerun on right now, so I typed her name into the search bar). That makes the citation tag bogus since she is obviously listed in the credits, which are on the dvds, which are available in the usual places and therefore verifiable. That's enough to convince me that people doing this tagging etc. aren't putting enough thought into it. 2601:648:8202:350:0:0:0:738F (talk) 08:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is not how citations work. "Oh, I saw her name with my own eyes on the DVD!" Well how do you cite that in the article? You need reliable third party sources that others can corroborate. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Her name was familiar to me, so I checked her on IMDB and she has quite a range of acting roles, on mainstream shows, certainly more than many other actors that have been justified a page. Certainly passed WP:ACTOR. Deathlibrarian (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"I've heard of it" is not a reason to keep. Where are the sources? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:25, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- See wikipedia policy WP:NACTOR "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" - Check her IMDB page, seems to have had a notable career to me - in comparison to many actors who have less roles but have a wikipedia page.. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0821479/ Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  All of her roles are cameos. There are still zero sources beyond IMDb, which is not reliable as it's user submitted. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @Deathlibrarian: I love how everyone in this discussion is just going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when pressed for sources. Did you find any reliable sources that I didn't? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm using IMDB as evidence, to support compliance with WP:NACTOR, please see my note above. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    IMDb is not a reliable source because it's user generated content. Did you miss the part where I said that? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    IMDB is regularly used by editors to determine what shows an actor has been in, in terms of seeing whether someone is notable or not via WP:NACTOR policy. As for you saying "she's only been in cameos"... that is incorrect. She played regular roles in Baywatch, Thunder in Paradise, and Baywatch nights, and she has played quite a few guest roles in a number of different shows. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That still doesn't change the fact that you can't source an article entirely to IMDb. Why do you keep dodging the question when I ask you "where are the sources"? Did you find sources? Answer me. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not trying to source the article to IMDB, because you can't use IMDB as a reference. I'm proving that she qualifies with wikipedia policy for being notable. I've added four RS as references, including this which discusses her as one of the 5 main cast of Baywatch nights (so no, not just a cameo). Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (-DT, (Dave Tobenkin, staff writer?) (Oct 10, 1994). "'Baywatch Nights' clears Chris Craf" (PDF). Broadcasting & Cable. p. 14.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)) "...and soap regular Lisa Stahl as co-owner of the agency..... Stahl had a recurring role on the soap The Bold and the Beautiful, a featured role in The Young and the Restless and has guest-starred on Baywatch, Thunder in Paradise and Moonlighting.". Featured role in YOTR, recurring role The B&B, staring/recurring for at least start of Baywatch Nights, guest-star in Baywatch+. This was in 1994. WikiVirusC^(talk) 04:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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