Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lindsay Seidel

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The result was delete. Euryalus (talk) 11:51, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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She starred in a horror flick called The Final, but it is not clear what is her leading roles in the voice acting / anime world. Not finding much coverage in papers outside of the one film. Only 2 conventions, one wasboth are local. All the ANN articles are just cast announcements. WP:TOOSOON? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC) updated 20:28, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Kyoko is a major character in terms of plot in the anime series Is This a Zombie?. She also provides the voice for Hecate in Shakugan no Shana (seasons 2-3), these would pass WP:ENT as they are two major antagonist roles. I also found this: [1], Constant Contact isn't a minor thing. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep the roles mentioned seem to qualify subject. I'm close to thinking WP:TOOSOON but leaning keep. Will watch this discussion. ArchieOof (talk) 14:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Only two anime conventions.Therainbowsend (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as IMDb itself actually summarily states her works and there's nothing actually substantial or major to actually suggest independent notability; there's no inherited notability about anything from the listed films, if it means there would not then be a both substantial and improved article of her own. SwisterTwister talk 01:11, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• IMDb is not a reliable source. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep In just a few clicks I found a good number of online sources about the subject. Passes WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What are those good number of sources? I've only seen cast announcements outside of the one interview. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:17, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Such as? anyone can say there are good sources but if you don't supply them how can we believe you or trust their neutrality or reliability?

• Weak keep: Substantial filmography, adequate sources. Voice actors don't get coverage live film actors do, so I'd say she passes GNG for her field. Would like to see source material used to improve article, though. Montanabw^(talk) 20:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few flaws in your argument. The filmography is a matter of opinion sure. While the sources are fine they only serve as confirmation of those roles, not the notability of the article's subject. Voice actor coverage has been sufficient for many years, easily long enough to cover the subject's time in the industry, never mind that you are assuming live action actors are all notable.. Giving a pass based on her field as if it somehow should have lesser requirements than any other actor is misguided.SephyTheThird (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No evidence of notability, cast announcements generally are just that and do not denote or suggest merit.SephyTheThird (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It is true that voice actors generally have less coverage. (Actually quite a few of them do have coverage, but many of them are in fan websites which are not exactly RS for our purpose). The way to decide notability is to look at their contributions. If they voiced any major role in an anime I tend to give them a pass. The problem here is that the subject has done a bunch of minor roles, none of which are exactly significant. Considering the lack of coverage and the lack of a significant role, I am going with a delete here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I have not been able to locate any of the sources being talked about in the discussion. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fan websites tend to have primary source interviews, which only help beef up some self-published facts about the person like where they went to high school, or what is their favorite part of voice acting, but doesn't establish whether they are notable since they tend to grab any upcoming voice actor for an interview. The interview for The Final is over at BridgeThink [2] That one's got a little more credibility, coming from the general acting/production industry. But still, that's about it, and it only helps her notability for The Final. She's cast in a web series called Morganville that itself barely has notability for being an adaptation of a book series: The_Morganville_Vampires#Morganville:_The_Series [3] and another web series that isn't Wikipedia-notable called Throwing Stones AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links. Yup, it seems like a case of TOOSOON. She may become notable in the future, but not now. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I am not sure about how notable but she did win a "Staff Choice Award for Voice Actress of the Year at the 4th Annual BTVA Anime Dub Awards. [4] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC) [5][reply]

I'm a bit on the fence for that one as BTVA staff choice is a nice accolade for their resume, and the voice actors do brag about being selected. But it doesn't give the winner any physical awards and there's no award ceremony like Annie Award or National Academy of Video Game Trade Reviewers (NAVGTR) awards. The BTVA People's Choice one is non-notable as it's a user-generated poll. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well the only other one I could find is a "Fright Meter" award. [6] I will continue trying to look for interviews. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:31, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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