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The result was redirect to Olde English Bulldogge. Content remains in history for merge. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:16, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leavitt Bulldog

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Fails WP:GNG. No more than an Olde English Bulldogge renamed by a backyard breeder as a marketing exercise. All of the references are for the latter breed or "statements" by said backyard breeder. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 23:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

  • Further, the only partially reliable (self published) cited source[1] on these dogs describes them as no more than a line of the Olde English Bulldogge, so named to destinguish them from other lines. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:47, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Cavalryman V31, can you produce any WP:RS that support your assertion that Dr. David Leavitt and the breeders noted on his homepage are backyard breeders?? Good luck with that -:) IQ125 (talk) 09:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IQ125, I am not trying to include that into the article, as I have requested below, can you produce any WP:Reliable sources that establishes the notability of these dogs? Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 04:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In other words, Cavalryman V31 has no citations, references or knowledge to support the assertion that Dr. David Leavitt is a backyard breeder. You should redact your opening statement as you have confirmed you do not know what you are talking about and are defaming a legitimate dog breeder and veterinarian. IQ125 (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IQ125, can you produce any WP:RS that describe these dogs as an independent breed from the Olde English Bulldogge? Currently the page fails WP:GNG. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Cavalryman V31, You can find significant amounts of information on the breed at the Leavitt Bulldog breeders and kennels listed here. The United Kennel Club recognizes the Leavitt Bulldog UKC, see also 12345 6 IQ125 (talk) 09:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IQ125, thank you for your response. This link confirms that the Leavitt Bulldog and the Olde English Bulldogge are in fact the same breed. As for your other links:
1. Supports that they are the same breed as the Olde English Bulldogge.
2. Is a mere mention in an article and does not establish this as anything other than a line of OEBs.
3. Is not a reliable source but still supports that they are the same as the OEB (until a reputable organisation like the UKC recognise the name change then it remains un-notable).
4. Supports that they are simply a line of OEBs.
5. States emphatically that the Leavitt Bulldog is a line of the OEB, something I have already covered above with this edit.
6. States the Leavitt Bulldog Association as one of two parent clubs of the OEB breed (along with the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club), again confirming they are in fact OEBs, something I have already covered below with this edit.
Everything you have shown me confirms the Leavitt Bulldog is in fact simply a line of the recognised (and notable) Olde English Bulldogges. Do you propose this page be merged into Olde English Bulldogge? Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 05:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Comment - Unfortunately, Cavalryman V31 has proven himself to be a deletionist editor at Wikipedia. Deletionists are very harmful to Wikipedia as they attempt to delete even well written and well reference articles, as is the case with this article. This is my final words on this matter. IQ125 (talk) 11:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
IQ125, I have tried to find some reliable sources to improve this page but cannot, all sources I (and you) can find indicate this is no more than a line of the Olde English Bulldogge. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 12:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • The Leavitt Bulldog is an UKC recognized breed: This deletion procedure absurd. Its only started by haters. The Leavitt Bulldog is just being broadcast in March of this year on the BBC in a program '''Saving the British Bulldog''' with Catherine Tate [1] see at 42.37[2]. The discussion is going on now since April 2014 [3]. The wikidogs scaled the breed to a C class wich is low but still approved by them. [4]. There was and is no notability issue only haters who are childish and giving fine people like yourselves extra nonsense work to do.So please delete the deletion procedure and keep the article. User:BarryS75 — BarryS75 has made no other edits outside this topic.
BarryS75, can you provide any WP:RS citing this is anything other than a line of Olde English Bulldogge? Because currently there is I can find nothing that indicates this page meets Wikipedia's notability policy. The UKC does recognise these dogs as an established breed on their webpage and a further reliable source I could find describes these dogs as Olde English Bulldogges, and the Leavitt Bulldog Association as one of two parent clubs of the Olde English Bulldogges breed (along with the Olde English Bulldogge Kennel Club).[2] I certainly do not hate these dogs, they are very handsome and healthy looking animals, I am simply questioning the notability of this line of Olde English Bulldogges beyond a mention in the OEB article. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 00:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

References

  1. ^ Walter & Marlene Zwettler, The great book of bulldogs, bull terrier and molosser: Part 1 Bulldogs and Bull Terrier, epubli GmbH, Berlin, 2012, ISBN 978-3-8442-3922-5.
  2. ^ Dr Davis Harris, The bully breeds, Kennel Club Books, Freehold NJ, 2008, ISBN 978-1-59378-664-9, pp 74-75.

All is provided in the past if you look at the page history in talk We all been through this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BarryS75 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BarryS75, am I correct in presuming that you are in fact User:Freedombulls (talk • contribs)? I do not believe the talk page does establish the WP:Notability of the breed, it paused discussions of notability (with almost unanimous agreement of a lack it) presuming in time WP:Verifiable, WP:Reliable sources would emerge to establish notability, it has been over four years since the last such discussion and no such sources have emerged. As I have outlined above, all reliable sources indicate Leavitt Bulldogs are in fact a line of the recognised and notable Olde English Bulldogge. Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 05:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
I would be supportive of a page merger into Olde English Bulldogge. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 01:18, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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