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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Because it's not notable, not because Ljvo wants it deleted. Kafziel Complaint Department 06:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LaFayette Jackson Veterans Organization

  • The LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Organization no longer wants mention on this website

The LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Organization no Longer wishes to be referenced or have any mention on this website.Ljvo (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


NOTE Our Organization IS Spelled with a Capital F. and IS Hyphenated.
It is on our State Charter as such.Ljvo (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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A small local group of veterans, apparently a good group but definitely no notability. Only sources are to a local paper, likely reliable but definitely not enough to confer notability. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the creator actually moved the deletion discussion to a new title; if I have messed up matters in moving it back, please forgive me; I'm not used to people moving deletion discussions! Nyttend (talk) 12:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note The creator left the following message, both on his talk page and on mine:

    ""The LaFayette Jackson-Veterans Organization is incorporated in the State of Ohio as the "LaFayette-Jackson Veterans Organization" signed by the Ohio Secretary of State. LaFayette, Ohio has changed dramatically because of the items cited in this article. The suggestion that article should be removed because there are no noteworthy resources validated our existence is alarming. LaFayette, Ohio is a very small village of only about 300 people. Our veterans organization has about 25 members, with 7 to 8 very active. Considering the size of the village, that is is a large percentage. The veterans organization is a very integral part of this village. In order to have a complete profile of the village of LaFayette, Ohio, The activities and history of the LaFayette Jackson Veterans Organization and the LaFayette Jackson Historical Society must be recorded here. Wikipedia Editors have also challenged the spelling of LaFayette based on research which does not include the official records of the village. (Yes Properly Spelled with a capital "F") They are also challenging and denying that the village nickname is Patriot City USA, again based on arbitrary reasons without checking into the villages records. It is time for wikipedia to examine LaFayette, Ohio Village documents before making these statements based on research that does not include official village documents. I challenge you to contact the village council at 225 E Sugar Lafayette, OH 45854 (419) 649-8801 to get the information you need to verify what I have been saying here is true before you delete this page. Ljvo (talk) 03:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

    I thought it proper to copy it here, since it's obviously meant to oppose deletion. There's also a note posted on the article itself. Finally: see this diff, in which the creator says, "Yes we are a SMALL organization, I am the founder." Nyttend (talk) 03:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:ORG and WP:LOCAL. It isn't that we don't believe it's true. It's that we don't believe a small town organization, no matter how noble its cause, is really important enough for inclusion in a worldwide encyclopedia. --Dhartung | Talk 03:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I suppose that a small village of only 300 people is not either?

Unjustified Deleting Of Images and Page

Small Organizations have large Impacts that are indeed worthy of a world wide audience.

Many times I search for little known things and if the public cannot put information in a site such as this, a lot of very noteworthy things would never be found out by researchers, travelers etc. etc.

The LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Organization was originally formed under the Auspices of the LaFayette-Jackson Historical Society technically as a committee. It has since incorporated under the State of Ohio as a separate Non Profit Organization and is in the process of apply for 501(c)19 Status- Veterans Organizations.

Our State Certificate signed by Jennifer Brunner- Ohio Secretary of State is # 758359 Document No 200804602160 Dated the 8th Day of February 2008 AD


As I sated above. because the two organizations have had such a significant impact on this small village that YOU are including it is more than justifiable to keep it on wiki.

Note that you have an external link posted on the LaFayette, Ohio page to a web site that is not being used. "LaFayetteoh.com" yet you want to delete a very active page.

You cannot give a complete profile of LaFayette, Ohio and exclude the information about these two organizations

I submit this is a revengeful act because of what I posted on the LaFayette, Ohio page that you continue to spell improperly based on your own assertions that you can't find proof that I am right. This issue never came up until I tried to correct your spelling. I have provided you with contact information to verify the information I posted so if you want to continue this argument you will have to call the Village Mayor ( Ron Moots) at the number I gave you.Ljvo (talk) 12:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I have refactored the above slightly: section breaks can sometimes create problems in pages with are transcluded, as this one is. I haven't altered the substance of the comments made. (No !vote from me at this time) AndyJones (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have moved the following section from the article to here. I haven't checked the edit history yet, but it is clearly intended as an argument in this debate, not as part of the article:
The suggestion to delete this page by the challenger for the reason given is ludicrous.
""LaFayette, Ohio has changed dramatically because of the items cited in this article. The suggestion that article should be removed because there are no noteworthy resources validated our existence is alarming. LaFayette, Ohio is a very small village of only about 300 people. Our veterans organization has about 25 members, with 7 to 8 very active. Considering the size of the village, that is is a large percentage. The veterans organization is a very integral part of this village. In order to have a complete profile of the village of LaFayette, Ohio, The activities and history of the LaFayette Jackson Veterans Organization and the LaFayette Jackson Historical Society must be recorded here. Wikipedia Editors have also challenged the spelling of LaFayette based on research which does not include the official records of the village. (Yes Properly Spelled with a capital "F") They are also challenging and denying that the village nickname is Patriot City USA, again based on arbitrary reasons without checking into the villages records. It is time for wikipedia to examine LaFayette, Ohio Village documents before making these statements based on research that does not include official village documents. I challenge you to contact the village council at 225 E Sugar Lafayette, OH <removed phone number> to get the information you need to verify what I have been saying here is true before you delete this page.
  • ...and on checking, the argument was added by User:Ljvo, here. AndyJones (talk) 14:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Our guidline on notability for non-commercial organisations can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Non-commercial organizations. If you would like to argue that the article should be kept, you should address that guideline and explain why, in your view, the organisation meets it. AndyJones (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I feel very sorry for User:Ljvo, who must have found this process extremely frustrating. Many of our new users must find this: the website more-or-less encourages new users to be bold and create articles on matters which are important to them, and then frequently plunges them into debates/disputes with more experienced users on a complex mass of content issues they were completely unprepared for and had no reason to expect. Anyway, getting to my vote, the subject of the article seems to fail WP:N. Also, the author of the article has twice blanked the page, which in contexts like this one I've always thought of as the inexperienced user's equivalent to placing a {db-auth} tag, particlularly in light of comments like: "The LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Organization no Longer wishes to be referenced or have any mention on this website." AndyJones (talk) 07:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've tried my best to be easy on Ljvo throughout this process (you can see in the comments that he is firm that the village is LaFayette, despite research that I list on the village's talk page), and I hope I've not done ill. I've thought the same thing about the blanking; it's just that I'm not about to speedy it myself after bringing up the AFD in the first place :-) Nyttend (talk) 11:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Author's right to blank no longer applies this late in the process, but group is clearly non-notable, the COI was obvious, and the editor's name was unacceptable (and has been userblocked). --Orange Mike | Talk 14:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to village article. WP:LOCAL does imply that topics of local interest should be included in the place article and should only be split off if it would make the article too long or too unfocused. The village article is clearly in need of content and this would be a good addition. Outright deletion is not necessary here. --Polaron | Talk 15:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the following was added to my talk page, but seems to pertain to this discussion:
Edits By Original Writers of LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Org. are to Be Left alone
The LaFayette~Jackson Veterans Organization is no longer interested in being represented on wikipedia. It is Our CONTENT and OUR DECISION you have already nominated the page for deletion anyway. we have decided it is not in our best interest to continue to have a presence on wikipedia that can be edited by other people. We have since declared all content Copyrighted by our organization is not in the public domain. Ljvo (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Andy Please leave our page alone or completely remove it. It Is our decision to have no content on wikipedia at this time and no amount of debate by others who have no knowledge of our organization has the information required to put information on the site. Ljvo (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipediea DO NOT RESTORE CONTENT DELETED BY ORIGINAL AUTHORS FROM THE VETERANS ORGANIZATION! Ljvo (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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