Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/László Kovács (writer)

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The result was no consensus. Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

László Kovács (writer)

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Insufficient evidence of notability, recreated by original creator after deletion via prod Yworo (talk) 18:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - a difficult one, considering the sources (if they exist) are likely to be in Slovenian or Hungarian! There are several other notable people called László Kovács (making a search for information difficult) and, what's more, Kovács is known by a number of other names!! However, the article currently makes no great claims to notability and has no independent, reliable sources to prove otherwise. Authors and/or local politicians are not automatically notable. I can't find a mention online about the alleged A Nemzetiségi Hagyományok Átörökítéséért prize. Overall the article serves no useful purpose unless it can be adequately sourced and the notability explained. Sionk (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is one of the prizes at ARCUSFEST (a yearly event for minority theatres in Hungary). There a number of mentions in Hungarian, though I didn't find any after 2009. The prize is received by a theater, not by a specific person, though. --Tgr (talk) 13:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. How can we delete an article if we can't read/search the sources in the appropriate language? 173.13.150.22 (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a selfishness againts the Europeans. Sionk, you unable accordingly to serch in the internet. The Porabje tidings is a independent source. By the Hungarian National Bibliothek Széchenyi including the Slovene Theather is prized with this award. László Kovács is frequent name in Hungary, but important is the proper search: Kovács László AND magyarországi szlovén/Hungarian Slovene (396 results) or Kovács László AND Vidám barátok (917 results) Doncsecz^talk 12:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For ethnic Slovenians living in Hungary the development of their literature is important. He is one of the few authors using their dialect. Borsoka (talk) 12:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE Borsoka artived here because of WP:CANVASSING. He was asked for help by User:Doncsecz, the creator of this article [1]. User:Doncsecz also asked other users for help: [2] [3] Transerd (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter how Borsoka found this discussion? I never get it why some people think it's such a crime to invite people who are actually capable of reading the sources and decide whether the subject is notable or not. Also, it's kind of rude to insinuate that Hungarians will automatically vote "keep" in every Hungary-related AfD without thinking. – Alensha ^talk 07:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transerd is not a sockpuppet of a user? Borsoka, Norden, etc. is not my friends but Hungarian users, ergo parties at any time, i only draw your attention, as the Englis wiki very-very great. Doncsecz^talk 13:06, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

László Kovács (writer) is a Hungarian writer. Borsoka, Norden, etc are Hungarian users. Their vote for keeping the article is expected Transerd (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as the arguments for the deletions is nonsense, only the humiliation of the Hungarians or Europeans. Doncsecz^talk 13:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warning! Transerd is the sockpuppet of User:Iaaasi. Doncsecz^talk 08:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination is actually related to the fact that there are inadequate sources showing. The way to defend against a notability challenge isn't to wail and moan and get mad, it's to find two or three legitimate sources of information and to cite them in this thread, or to demonstrate how the subject passes one or another of the special notability guidelines. Carrite (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He served as mayor of Apátistvánfalva, so he meets the criterias of Wikipedia:Notability. --Norden1990 (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:POLITICIAN - local politicians aren't automatically notable enough for Wikipedia, otherwise we'd have articles on all mayors! Sionk (talk) 14:44, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kovács have important role in the political and cultural live of the Slovene minority in Hungary. This person is recognized, and famous. Outside here is the evidences from televiosions and tidings. This sources is independent sources, as the Porabje is not newspaper of a party, but a minority. Doncsecz^talk 14:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep according to this search in the Hungarian Audiovisual Archives, he has been interviewed several times (in lots of differet roles - author, teacher, camp organizer, beekeeper, mayor) in the minority programme of Hungarian Television. --Tgr (talk) 14:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As a Hungarian who speaks the Slovenian language I think that it is an important article, not only, but especially for the Slovenian minority living in Hungary. Please consider the good sources and disregard the sometimes inappropriately ardent arguments of the author.--Szilas (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - he does not look notable enough Transerd (talk) 09:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do not have 50 contributions and you is a new user. This vote is invalid. Doncsecz^talk 09:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep --Nyar94 (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What we really need are some people from Slovenian Wikipedia to lend advice, since Slovenian and Hungarian are about as linguistically similar as grapefruit and albatross... Carrite (talk) 16:50, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not finding anything for László Kovács or Kovács László on Slovene WP, for what it's worth. Several people by this name makes it hard to isolate the writer with random Googling. Carrite (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, here's the problem... The Slovenian rendition of the name is Laci Kovač, short for Ladislav Kovač... Please Google search accordingly... Carrite (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, duh, that was in the lead... I need to go do something productive... Carrite (talk) 17:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here on Slovene WP. Even less to go on than the English article. Sionk (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a well sourced article which is definitely notable enough. Laci.d (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete We need far more sources to prove this gentleman is noteworthy enough. The present sourcing is at best weak. No sources of him being a mayor (what could make him qualify), no information about the theatre group (important or just a local group), no info about the status of the prize, missing a list of publications. And I have no clue what the beekeeping has to do with it or why that is important. Some work on the language is also a good idea. The Banner talk 20:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Banner, see the previous link from the Hungarian National Bibliothek (Bibliothek Széchenyi): the Széchenyi is prominent organization and justify the importance. Doncsecz^talk 08:07, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a convincing link. It is a description from the festival, more than likely based on information supplied by the company itself. Any newspaper articles? The Banner talk 13:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We need to see an independent reliable source clearly stating that Kovács is important, or at least talk a lot about him. If one of his books has been widely reviewed, he might pass WP:AUTHOR. Sionk (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a recent Hungarian expat I am certain this is clearly a notable subject. Also slovene WP seems to contain additional sources.BO | Talk 19:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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