Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuldeep Pai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Looks like discussion has ground to a halt. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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A musical composer. The hopelessly pretentious talk page cuts no ice with me. Is he actually notable? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and improve - the referenced profiles from The Hindu seem to be significant enough coverage in a national newspaper to pass WP:MUSICBIO. But yes, it needs a trowel taken to it to remove the unsourced promo. The promotional fluff posted to the talk page, which I've just redacted, was mostly a paste from his website. Now, where did I put that trowel. The Mighty Glen (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Mighty Glen, this fluff? :) Drmies (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

wow     such fluff    very copyvio    many canvass    :-) The Mighty Glen (talk) 04:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Sharan (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to mention that Kuldeep Pai is a very popular musician in India and is well-known for his contributions in Hinduism and Spirituality through music.

I have cited references that are available as external links in the main article that are readily available on the internet. However, just so you know, there are media coverages and articles about him covered in various other newspapers and magazines. The printed version of newspapers bearing his articles and awards have been scanned and uploaded in his website under the 'Press' section - http://kuldeepmpai.com/press/ (Infact, the article 'Kuldeeply Passionate' mentions about Kuldeep's gold medal in Indian Music from Madras University which required the citation in the main article). I am aware that the references from his own resource are deemed invalid and hence was unable to add these as the citation in the main article. Iam trying my earnest to make this an active page in the wiki.

Kindly consider the page to be restored and make it an active wiki page.

Sharan (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Makhamakhi (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Sharan (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

1.Regarding awards titles and other recognition: The awards bestowed on him is true and there has been media coverage about the same as well(Yuvakala bharathi in Mylapore times). But iam unable to pull up any links from the internet. Is there an alternative to upload physical media coverage?

2.Also just curious to know, the awards in the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Subrahmanyan have been published when there are only 2 citations of the 40 awards mentioned? Why were they not deleted? There is only a warning message but the content has not been removed. Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathi consists of list of awards with very less citations. So why were Kuldeep's details removed?

3.It's interesting to note that Carnatic music vocalist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombay_Jayashri was conferred "Yuvakala Bharati" by Bharat Kalachar, Chennai, 1992, which is mentioned on the page without any citation. Kuldeep Pai too bagged the same award but the details were removed from the page. So how did the former go through?

4.The awards and titles won by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Sowmya too are mere mentions without any references. So why were these not deleted? Infact, D.K. Pattammal Award won by this singer was also bestowed on Kuldeep Pai. So why was this deleted from this page alone but allowed the other one? (I infact had mentioned http://www.kutcheribuzz.com/news/general/824-artistes-must-be-treated-better, http://www.indian-heritage.org/musicseason/awardsp.htm His name has been mentioned against the awards. )

5.Also regarding the TOURING info provided in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Sowmya- the details have been published with a warning note that it resembles a resume. So why were Kuldeep's touring details bearing similar info not published with a note? Why were the details not deleted in the former's page? Sharan (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Sharan, what other articles have doesn't matter--if you want to compare, compare to a GA or an FA, not to any old random article. S._Sowmya is a terrible article and tagged as such, and I'm about to start pruning it. The article as I and others found it was promotional in tone, poorly written, and lacking reliable sources that verified the text. For instance, this, that whole "deep inclination" etc. wasn't verified in the sources; it's what a PR agent would write. This is a violation of our policy on external links, and it's typically one of the mistakes made when a promotional article is written. I have no opinion on the subject's notability, but comments like "So how did the former go through?" completely miss the point when we have millions of articles, many of which sub-standard. That it "went through" in that article doesn't mean we're going to let it through in articles that are actually looked at by Wikipedia editors with knowledge of the guidelines. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, thank you so much for your reply. Apologies for comparing, but new writers like me tend to read few successful articles in Wikipedia about people from similar genres before initating a new article. Since the above mentioned Carnatic music personalities are well-reputed, it was quite natural to visit their pages to get an overall view before submitting an article...Whether the article was old or new one, didn't matter to me that time.

However, after conversing with great admins like yourself, i do understand the responsibilities and the actual process that goes behind every article. And apologies if my words sounded promotional. I ensure that iam diligent with my phrases from my next article. This is my first article here in Wiki and I hope it gets a green signal very soon.

Sharan (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Sharan, look at Wikipedia:Good articles/Music, for instance LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987). I'm not saying "you should write it like that" but it should give you a good idea of what the standards are. After all, in our personal lives as well as in our writing, we should look to the good examples, not the bad ones. As for the article, I think it should stand (I say keep) since your subject seems to meet our notability guidelines. And you can help--not by writing him up nicely, but by adding references to reliable, secondary sources: newspapers, magazines, journals, and books. Look especially for articles that discuss him and his career, not just reviews of a show or an album. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies,thank you for your prompt response, references and direction to enhance the article. As per my earlier observation, at this stage I am unable to pull out any links from the internet for secondary references. As an alternate, am I allowed to submit scanned copies of the physical print media coverages that Kuldeep Pai has received? How do I substantiate for those resources which are available in print media form and not as an internet link page?

Henceforth, I will make sure that citations and references are adequately addressed for all future awards that Kuldeep Pai receives.

Sharan (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• There is no "submission"--but resources do not have to be online; this is not a requirement. See WP:CITE and WP:RS for what is acceptable and how to cite it. If you cite it properly, editors will be able to verify the accuracy of the citation, and as long as we can't read it we will assume you're not lying. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, Thank you for your message. I have now mentioned citation in the article for his gold medal as per the format( as there was no online resource to substantiate the same). :Kindly check if its appropriate.

I have gathered few citations online regarding his other awards. Can i edit and provide citations directly to the article? Kindly advise.

Sharan (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan (talk) 23:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies, have added 2 awards and their citations now. For your perusal please...

Sharan (talk) 23:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SHARANYABHARATHWAJ:, there's no need to put your username at the beginning of every post. Just sign it with four tildes (~~~~) at the end, thanks. The Mighty Glen (talk) 23:38, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Will adhere. Thank you for the tipThe Mighty Glen

Sharan (talk) 08:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have added 2 more citations from The Hindu under Early life and Education. Tks.

Sharan (talk) 09:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Kindly let me know how else i can contribute to make this page active. I had added a couple of citations last week from The Hindu and inserted to the main article to prove his notability. I would be glad to see this article getting Live. Kindly let me know your thought pls.

Sharan (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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