Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klaus Lovgreen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This has been on for nearly a month now and with only the creator and an IP are arguing to keep, the reasoned arguments of the nominator and CactusWriter are sufficient to delete. Stifle (talk) 08:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Simply a CV listing this entrepreneur's various companies he has co-founded during his career. The tiny amount of biographical info (and date of birth) is uncited. Lovgreen is quoted in some news sources, but the coverage listed here is about the companies, not him. Being named on a list as 55th most influential technology investor in 2011 isn't really going to push him over the WP:GNG threshold in my view. AME Info (which he co-founded in 1993) seems to be notable enough, and maybe a good course of action would be to redirect this article to that target. Overall, lacks any journalistic coverage about him and fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 17:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I disagree deleting the article - the coverage where he is quoted is obviously about the companies he has founded and run - and it is what makes an entrepreneur/business person. I agree it lacks personal info and citation there. The seed investment in Tradeshift is quite significant to back up the investor statement from 2011 - these things does not happen over night. His latest company GivingTales seems to involve quite a few interesting components including Kiloo as a partner as also mentioned in the Guardian article - this is definitely notable. Wikikaylov — Preceding undated comment added 08:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC) Note: Wikikaylov is the creator of this article.[reply]

Keep Lack of citation does not equal lack of sources ("Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article"), a quick Google shows 1000's of potential sources. Sionk should either remove uncited information or attempt to find a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.209.99.114 (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE -- — 88.209.99.114 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Comment - both the above contributions seem to misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. Being a businessman is not in itself a qualification for a write-up in an encyclopedia. Neither is his appearance in a Google search of the internet. As I stated in my intro, there is no evidence of significant reliable secondary coverage about Lovgreen. Please point me to a couple of news articles or other reliable secondary coverage about Klaus Lovgreen (rather than the businesses he co-created). Sionk (talk) 17:25, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The guy was based in the Middle East for nearly 20 years and quoted and interviewed in many regional newspapers and magazines as a leader in his field and a driver of technology in the region.

Here are some articles http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/regional-market-for-pdas-expected-to-grow-rapidly-1.351165

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/reality-check-207291.html

http://www.itp.net/489636-the-e-achievers/

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=2231&t=1

https://books.google.fr/books?id=K-N7zOHsQHUC&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=%22klaus+lovgreen%22+the+national&source=bl&ots=KXmKgWKOSZ&sig=FynHY_7tBtJMD8aa8R_eLlhaVK4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBGoVChMI_-GriabbxgIVB8cUCh0NPARy#v=onepage&q=%22klaus%20lovgreen%22%20the%20national&f=false

http://www.albawaba.com/news/‘digitisation-will-make-piracy-irrelevant’-say-directors-new-multi-media-fund

https://wam.ae/en/news/business/1395226368912.html

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/sectors/technology/cd-sales-music-stores-strike-poor-chords-1.636790

http://www.albayan.ae/economy/1125289807867-2005-09-07-1.96616

http://www.albayan.ae/economy/ameinfo-avantgo-2001-04-18-1.1137380

https://books.google.ae/books?id=d3P2soRhNcIC&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=كلاوس+ameInfo&source=bl&ots=ctDt-_p-kg&sig=zZ5cdNT7DM90uPMYtg4JJf4e6gg&hl=ar&sa=X&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBzgKahUKEwiqjJD7qdvGAhXH1hQKHYY4Djc#v=onepage&q=كلاوس%20ameInfo&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=d3P2soRhNcIC&pg=PA16&dq=klaus+lovgreen&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAmoVChMI6OaV0KrbxgIVS8AUCh3J_Qs4#v=onepage&q=klaus%20lovgreen&f=false

Founding Member IT Forum in UAE http://www.zu.ac.ae/iti/itforum/biography.html

Perhaps you can suggest some content based on the above so we can get the page up to the standard required? Appreciate your help - I am trying to add content from areas I have some knowledge about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikaylov (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• DELETE -- fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG for significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The refs in the article and those provided above are trivial mentions or quotes by Lovgreen in relation to a business -- but the coverage is entirely about the business, usually AME Info. None of the articles are about Lovgreen himself. I also found no coverage of Lovgreen in the major Danish sources. The article should be deleted, then redirected to AMEinfo.com. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 15:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

-KEEP- Once again I disagree - you seem to just dismiss media outlets you are not familiar with as not "reliable". The book about Dubai is not mentioned in this these arguments either - and the drive of the internet and and business in the Middle East by someone from Denmark back in 1996 is not insignificant and he is continuing to innovate and start new projects. He is not mentioned in the danish press as he has lived abroad most of his life if you read the background. I fail to understand why these achievements are being reduced to a "CV" and should be redirected to just his first project. Wikikaylov (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikikaylov, first, it is standard practice in Wikipedia deletion discussions to state a !vote only once -- and thereafter discuss without stating another !vote. This is why your latest "keep" has been struck. As to your above comment: it is not "reliability" that is the issue. As both the nominator and I have stated it is the lack of significant coverage and the independence of sources that is the problem. IMO, the book -- a personal memoir by a partner at AMEinfo -- is not an independent source for a BLP on Lovgreen. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 19:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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