Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Namjoon

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The result was redirect to Bangtan Boys. (non-admin closure) sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 07:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Nam-joon

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This member has no significant solo work outside of work he has done with his group so this page is not necessary at this time.his solo music career in most time is featured other artist (cameo) and no main artist in solo music activity For example solo mini album or studio album or Songs with chart and does not Activities outside the group As an actor ,main cast member in variety show.Furthermore it has information that is not notable enough to be included on a normal artist page.I believe the page should be removed or redirect to Bangtan Boys page.(Pikhmikh (talk) 22:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC))[reply]

• Keep I believe this member does have significant solo work outside his group. His collaborations do not necessarily mean he is not the main artist. Some collaborations in this case are more of a partnership, cue the example with the one with Warren G and Krizz Kaliko, who are also highly respected musicians. I'm sorry I cant make out what you said about the solo mini album or actor part, but RM mixtape is a significant solo project as it doesn't involve the other group members and received sufficient coverage in the sources found on the references section. He may not be an actor, but he is a main cast member in a variety show, and also has an endorsement deal. And all this does not have anything to do with the other members of BTS. (Can you elaborate on what is included on a "normal artist page" as well?) Thank you Tigress223^t@lk 22:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • this page created by you but ,his solo activity is Less than that need separate page and Bangtan Boys Discography is Enough for his music career and many other singer with more important works of him has not separate page for example A Pink's member that their activity is more than him but their Page has been removed because their individual activities has no significant.,,,as well as Kim Nam-joon solo activity Not much until now and needs more time(Pikhmikh (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2015 (UTC))[reply]
    • I may be the creator of this page but I am trying my best to keep an objective view. May I ask what counts as significant activity? and I also modeled the article from articles: Shin Jimin, Kim Seolhyun and Shin Hyejeong, so I don't understand what is wrong with this article's notability. Tigress223^t@lk 23:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • But I wont be stubborn, I'll try to see if there are any other sources I may find so I can amp this up Tigress223^t@lk 00:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Looking at the three pages you listed as models I can say that none of them are well written articles. Looking at the pages it looks like Shin Jimin's only possible reason for even having a separate page seems to be her time on unpretty rapstar but I think her page should also be removed...maybe all 3 of them should be but I don't know enough about their individual work to make that call. They do however all use bad sources and I will be adding that tag to their pages shortly. Try to look for articles that have been rated good or better as articles are constantly being rewritten by fans and ips so you need to be careful when using one as an example to build off of. Peachywink (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thank you for the info Tigress223^t@lk 16:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I don't think he yet fulfills WP:Musicbio. Yeah there is some media coverage, but allkpop and soompi are not reliable sources and the guideline for sources is that it can't be the artist talking about themselves and the articles cannot be reworded press releases, which currently account for a lot of the sources cited. Having followed Namjoon's career, I personally don't believe he has enough independent discography or recognition to have his own page yet. Asdklf; (talk) 23:47, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 10:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 10:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirectof all the members in this group he might have the highest chance of one day getting his own page so I say it should be blanked and redirected for now because I do not see enough work outside of his groups activities that a separate article is necessary at this point.Peachywink (talk) 19:07, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually now that i think about it I guess redirecting would be a good idea, if this page really isnt fit for being an article by the community. If so, I think rap monster would get notable soon just not now, but it will be a little of a hassle to dig the article out again from deleted articles when reliable sources do show up. So in a way, I agree with your suggestion about the redirection, as it may be a better way to temporarily get rid of the article until the time is write if this page really isnt fit. Thanks for the suggestion :) Tigress223^t@lk 00:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep Multiple sources confirm GNG which he passes easily. Yes, some sources may be indirectly primary, but those should do nothing but confirm the obvious interest in this artist. Reliability of some of the sources as being non-credible is by opinion and not WP consensus. That's a debate that should be addressed aside from this article and without bias to this bio. It is a well written article, with no bias. And although maybe slightly weak still referenced enough. None of the content is potentially libel or hurting wiki in anyway. Sulfurboy (talk) 00:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sulfurboy: There is consensus that Allkpop and similar sites are not reliable sources. (See WP:KO/RS.) Allkpop in particular is self-described as a gossip site. Random86 (talk) 03:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ah, I appreciate you pointing that out. I hadn't seen that before. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I've been watching this AfD since it started, but was trying to work out if they were notable enough or not. Per discussion above, if Allkpop and similar aren't considered reliable sources, then definitely fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I would be fine with a redirect. Joseph2302 is there any reason you'd be opposed to that?Sulfurboy (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• No, I suppport Redirect, seems sensible to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I tried my best to get rid of all the Allkpop, Koreaboo, Soompi(etc) which were deemed as unreliable sources. Tigress223^t@lk 17:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - passes WP:GNG . Donottroll (talk) 04:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Redirect:most of his variety show is alongside Bangtan Boys's member and we saw this in their page and one mixtape is not reason for his prominent Is fair that his page merged to Bangtan Boys (Toomass (talk) 22:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC))[reply]
• Keep passes WP:GNG. 75.144.16.173 (talk) 22:21, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The amount of sources present demonstrate he passes GNG. A redirect is unnecessary IMHO. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, but He still is not notable, according to Wikipedia policy It is true that he has More individual activities of other members of the group but Whether these activities are enough To make him independent of the group? his solo songs (except collaboration with warren g and mandy) are as a featured and Certainly their chart(singles) is not his song's chart he has just two collaboration songs and one mixtape, however I do not think that he still has notable solo activity,Let this article be written about him after multiple activities (Pikhmikh (talk) 13:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC))[reply]
    • Let's just wait a little, he maybe charted with "fantastic" or maybe not on gaon. we dont know yet. and the krizz kaliko featured song he's the main singer in that song as well. Tigress223^t@lk 05:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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