Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Kaniff

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Remains unsourced and many keep arguments are of the ILIKEIT variety. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject is apparently a "character" in a few songs. Fails WP:FICT. No sources cited (other than lyrics in songs). Kevin Walter 19:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge but don't delete entirely I was interested in knowing about this character, so if this page was deleted I wouldn't have been able to learn that he was fictional. Merge it if you like, but please don't destroy this source of knowledge, even if the subject doesn't interest you, it interests others.
• Delete or Merge IAW Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Minor characters: "trivial characters from major works should be deleted as unencyclopedic". If it really matters that much to Eminem fans, then perhaps include a small stub on Eminem page or somwhere more appropriate. --David Andreas 19:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 06:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 06:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep I was going to add merge but seemingly homophobic lyrics and remarks from Eminem have been expunged from wikipedia, O well. As this is the only article that seems to address his homophobia should be kept on that grounds alone. Please note Eminem fans probably have no interest in seeing this article exist as it shows Eminem in a less positive light. Benjiboi 08:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Theoretically, some of this could be merged into Eminem's article (in its own section, if the fact that it shows his homophobia is important). However, as it stands, it falls foul of a number of traps. Firstly, it's unsourced: Sources for some of it shouldn't be hard to obtain, but none of it is sourced right at the moment. Secondly, and following on from that, it suffers from BLP issues and will suffer from the more if it's merged: Calling anybody homophobic without proof is problematic, so there'll need to be sources regardless of where this goes. Thirdly, this is a minor character whose sole claim to fame is that a notable rapper mentions him in some songs: That has to be close to the definition of non-notability, if anyone wants to categorically define it. And for the record, before anyone accuses me of being an Eminem fan, I'm not. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's unlikely the Eminem's fans would let any of this homophobic material exist unless watered down beyond use or recognition. You might as well delete rather than bother merge.Benjiboi 21:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, that's actually irrelevant. If the material is well-sourced and contributes to the article (or is worthy of an article itself, then the opinions of his fans really shouldn't matter. After all, I'm sure there are Michael Jackson fans who wish that the information about his extra-musical activities would go away, but it doesn't. What matters, though, is whether this can be sourced and then whether there's a good place to put it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. This could be probably sourced to WP:RS. I'm a bit stuck on this one though.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 13:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Ken Kaniff features in a number of Eminem songs and albums. He represents a significant part of Eminem's music. Kaniff has also been part of various court cases: (http://www.peace.ca/eminemlyrics.htm), and this could be integrated into the article. --Reynolds45 3 July 2007 (UTC)

The court case you mentioned referenced one of the skits titled "Ken Kaniff," not the character. --Kevin Walter 21:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.