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Ken Duncan (photographer)

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Relies for notability very largely on a single article in "Creation" magazine. This is largely based around an interview with the subject so is not reliable . The Order of Australia is not an award that conveys any special notability. This whole article looks like a promotional job with nothing that meets WP:GNG. It has been tagged as potentially lacking notability since 2013 without any significant subsequent improvement. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 22:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Photography and Australia. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 22:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Velella. I would agree that on the surface, this article appears to be self-promotion for a small, insignificant person. However, based on my experience as an Australian with a mild interest in photography, Ken Duncan is reasonably famous in our region, at least as far as photographers go. His panoramic photos are commonly seen in homes, cafes, health clinics etc. I've heard more than a couple of people say phrases like "Oooh, I love that Ken Duncan" when spotting a framed print on a wall somewhere. There would only be a small handful of other Australian photographers with his level of success, and I can't even think of their names at the moment. If someone asked me to name a famous photographer, he'd probably be the first name that would come to mind.

There are dozens of his photographic prints on the 2nd hand market, with some selling for many thousands of dollars, if that is anything to go by:

- https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/550/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ken+duncan

- https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-art/ken+duncan/k0c20039

There's also dozens of news articles about him: https://news.google.com/search?q=ken%20duncan&hl=en-AU&gl=AU&ceid=AU%3Aen, including by ABC news, Daily Mail, SBS, Channel 9 News, Australian Geographic, etc.

I think the article needs some better sources/references, as I agree, a single Creation article is not adequate. I hope that it can be improved, and not deleted. SimonEast (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I did see these sources during a search before nominating but I couldn't see that any of them conveyed notability as almost all appear to be interviews , or based on interviews with the subject. Although interviews can be useful in supporting text within an article, they can't support notability as they are not independent. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 08:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ See below - Saw this on my watchlist and couldn't remember why. Looks like I added the notability tag 11 years ago, and there's been no real improvement to speak of since then. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep won an ARIA Award for his Cover Art in 1988. Appointed OAM in 2009 for "services to the arts as a landscape photographer and publisher, and for his service to the Central Coast community."shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Had a quick rummage through the media - seems like there's enough information about him in sources like National Geographic, Rolling Stone, BBC to make him consistent with WP:PHOTOGRAPHER--Saul McGill (talk) 12:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
links? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1], [2], [3], [4]. RS and NG I couldn't find, as it turned out he worked for them, not them writing about him. But NG published a book of his photographs--Saul McGill (talk) 23:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Interviews in industry and travel publications can often be promotional, but the BBC and Australian Geographic look good. Combined with the other sources and award, it's enough for me to strike my delete. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The ARIA Award clinches it for me; it's Australia's rough equivalent of the Grammies and winning one probably confers about as much notability. I've had this article on my watchlist for a while due to vandalism, even though I know nothing about the subject for obvious reasons (see my user page), and I was leaning delete/meh on this nomination until the ARIA Award came up. Graham87 (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]