Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josh Magennis

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The result was delete Wood, keep Magennis. seresin ( ¡? ) 06:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Magennis

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Young footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully professional league. I do not believe that a handful of mentions in local newspapers are enough to meet WP:N (the reason the prod was removed). пﮟოьεԻ 57 11:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also adding Garry Wood to this AfD as its prod was removed without explanation by an IP. He is also a young footballer who has never played in a fully pro league, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE (per nom) ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 20:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point of order. While neither seem notable, I fail to see the logic of putting these two together, given that not only are they not in the same league, they aren't even playing in the same country. One is Scottish, and the other is Irish playing for a Welsh team in an English league. The second AFD was added to this after some people had already commented. Wouldn't it be cleaner - and perhaps simpler, to just do a second AFD? Nfitz (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Basically to save wasting everyones time. The second player (Wood) is even less notable. Given that I added it a couple of hours after the AfD started, and that only two editors had already commented, I didn't see a problem (especially as AfDs usually end up with at least 8-10 comments). пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both Neither have yet to play at the highest level, defined as a fully professional league per WP:Athlete. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Magennis as he has been the subject of articles in two independent sources. The subject fails to meet the specific WP:ATHLETE criterion, but this should be overlooked if notability can be established by other means. My view is that significant coverage has already taken place, sufficient to pass WP:N. CJPargeter (talk) 09:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I noted in the introduction, I do not believe that local newspapers constitute significant independent coverage - semi-professional, reserve and youth players will always receive some mention in the local press. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I strongly disagree with this position regarding local newspapers; not only does it appear to be incompatible with the reliable sources policy, but also as one of the "local" papers is the largest-selling paper in Northern Ireland. Nevertheless, there is a citation in a UK-wide edition, and I've added this to the article.CJPargeter (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - fails WP:ATHLETE but meets WP:BIO with Belfast Telegraph coverage. I'd hardly call it a local paper, it can be found (not easily mind you) on the newstand in Canada, with the London papers, unlike what we normally call local papers. Nfitz (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep for Magennis because of Belfast Telegraph feature article.[1] That it's in a section called "Local Heroes" makes me pause a bit, but when you combine it with the other few articles which also deal primarily with him, it's just enough for me. Delete for Wood, though. Vickser (talk) 05:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Magennis, I think there is sufficient significant coverage in reliable sources to meet the primary notability guideline for him. Davewild (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As I already said some time ago, an interview in a newspaper is not an assertion of notability. It's not uncommon to see non-league players being interviewed by local or regional newspapers; this however cannot influence the fact they are non-league players which cannot be eligible of a Wikipedia article. The subject obtained a couple of interviews just because he sat on a bench during a football game, and then nothing else of relevant. So I think the man fails WP:BIO due to lack of substantial depth coverage. --Angelo (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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