Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Franco (academic)

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Franco (academic) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Article gives no indication of why the subject is notable. Does not hold a named academic chair, no references are given for the non-notable awards claimed to be won. Does not qualify as notable per WP:ACADEMIC, we have no subject-specific guidelines for plastic surgeons. A loose necktie (talk) 07:29, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Medicine, and New Mexico. Shellwood (talk) 09:24, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Jahaza (talk) 06:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sourcing inadequate. Sure, he's a surgeon. It's his lack of academic (or any other) notability that's academic. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not sure this meets notability guidelines.--TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - coverage is not significant. The publications listed in the article do not demonstrate on their own a meeting of WP:ACADEMIC, I'd want to see extensive peer reviewing, co-authoring, and citations of their work which is not demonstrable in a search. Does not meet any relevant notability criteria. MaxnaCarta (talk) 00:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Does "Fellow of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons" carry any weight? (I'm not familar with requirements of it.) -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete does not demonstrate notability as demanded by GNG and sourcing is inadequate. The information publicly available on the ASPS website leads me to conclude that a fellowship does not in and of itself confer notability. Draken Bowser (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Kj cheetham. American Society of Plastic Surgeons is a highly selective fellowship and is the highest achievement a plastic surgeon can get. Passes Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria, point 3. Kulpiert (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Fellow of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons isn't even a thing. And, as our article says, more than 90% of U.S. plastic surgeons are members. On his own web site, he's listed as "an active member of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons" not as a fellow.[1] Jahaza (talk) 06:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't understand, the fellowship program is advertised on their homepage [2]. But I agree that a notability claim must at least be verifiable and that there is insufficient evidence as to the exclusivity of this particular fellowship. Draken Bowser (talk) 08:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  A "fellow" can mean two things in American academic medicine. Membership as a "Fellow" in a professional organization such as the American College of Surgeons or the American College of Healthcare Executives represents meeting certain educational, experience, and examination requirements to be certified as having achieved a high level of competence beyond that required for ordinary board certification (although this would not generally be enough to demonstrate Wikipedia notability.) A fellow can also be a post-graduate medical education student who is doing extra training in a sub-specialty or other area of study after completing residency. The program for residents and fellows described on the Society web site is a membership program for fellows, i.e. early career surgeons completing extra training after residency, not a fellowship program, i.e. a certification program for plastic surgeons who meet advanced qualifications standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahaza (talk • contribs)

Got it, thanks. Draken Bowser (talk) 08:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete publication record isn't amazing. Article says that he's a faculty member at the University of Texas Dell Medical School, but their faculty search function doesn't return his name[3]. 06:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC. As indicated by Jahaza above, the claim of fellowship appears to be in the medical fellowship sense, not in the learned society fellow sense (and I find no evidence that the latter even exists in the ASPS). The publication record doesn't seem to meet the "significant impact" clause. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:HEY. Seems like he has received a prestigious fellowship from Ghent University and is an inventor of a widely used technology called "ION". Additionally, in-depth articles from Insider and Dermascope further add to the notability [4], [5]. Meets WP:ANYBIO, WP:BASIC; he is an educator, so not sure if academic is a relevant guideline — WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO are more relevant. 2001:569:5593:5900:90E0:EBBE:1798:3609 (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, no evidence of GNG or PROF notability. The supposed "prestigious fellowship from Ghent University" mentioned above is completely unsourced and we have no evidence of it being in any way prestigious, let alone contributing to notability. Spammy churnalism in trade rags that quote him rather than being about him doesn't help either. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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