Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johanna Baer

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The result was delete. While I take note of RebeccaGreen's substantial efforts on this article while it was at AfD, the consensus here is to delete the article for lack of notability. ST47 (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Johanna Baer

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Non notable actress, No evidence of any notability, Google News only brings up a few one-bit mentions[1], I did find this however that's still a mention although the best out of the 6-10 sources there, Fails #1, #2 and #3 of WP:NACTOR and fails GNG. –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 19:04, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yet another performer whose WP article is limited to what's on IMDB. She had actually started performing on stage in ballets by the age of 6. I'll see what I can add to the article (certainly information about her parents and where she trained, as well as performances). (And, as I frequently remark at AfDs, Google is not the best source for people whose careers predate the internet.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly agree with that, Unfortunately I have no access to books etc but if others do I'd happily keep this, Thanks. –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 20:29, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple footnotes. I think she did some interesting things in her career and the titles are well known. So I would argue for keeping the article.Howard352 (talk) 20:31, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clearly fails the WP:GNG and WP:NACTRESS. -- LACaliNYC ✉ 21:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I have added sources and information, covering her career from 1968-1984. The roles that I think best meet WP:ENTERTAINER are voicing Lila in Snoopy, Come Home, and performances with the American Ballet Theatre's Repertory Company (a review of one in the New York Times is included in the article). Most of the coverage I have found of her stage performances as a child were in local newspapers. The company, Ballet Celeste, did tour internationally during the years that she was a member, including to Japan for Expo '70, to the UK and to Canada. I have not tried to find coverage in Japanese of the Expo performances, and I haven't found much coverage online of the international tours, and none that mentions her - whether any existed or not, I don't know. I also haven't found many reviews online of the ballet companies she was a member of - there may well have been more in specialist journals and magazines. She certainly did more than was included in the article when it was nominated for AfD, but I haven't found enough reviews of her performances to say it's a definite, strong keep. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks RebeccaGreen not only for finding sources but alse adding them all to the article and thank you for also expanding the article - your work here is greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Dave | Davey2010^Talk 11:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I just did a quick search on newspapers.com (not the Google newspapers link) and there were quite a few articles. Netherzone (talk) 11:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netherzone, I should have said that most of the sources I found and added to the article were from Newspapers.com. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful, RebeccaGreen thanks for that info and the sources you added. Netherzone (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Good Job to RebeccaGreen for finding sources and putting them in the article. I think this is currently sitting right on the border of being notable; what pushes it over is that her entire career predates the internet. Rockphed (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: To be notable for dancing, she'd have to be a principal dancer, or at least a regular star dancer with ABT with lots more coverage in major reviews. Her film career is also non-notable. I don't think she's really close to notable. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ssilvers.4meter4 (talk) 12:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - tough call this. Firstly, RebeccaGreen has woven her usual magic on this page. The problem that I have is that I can't access some of the key sources, eg reference 16 which is behind a paywall. Also, none of her roles indicate notability in themselves. Sorry, she is close but but I am not quite convinced as to notability at this point. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.