Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jillian Henry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was The consensus is to delete, for lack of demonstrated notability. "Voice actor of a recurrent character in a TV show" is not a notability criterium. There does not seem to be enough support for either merging or redirecting. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jillian Henry

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I cannot find significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources for this subject. There are only three "sources" listed under External Links. They are IMDB, a tv.com page and a TV Guide profile page. David in DC (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Doesn't seem to satisfy WP:NACTOR. Has had some roles, but not "significant roles in multiple notable films" (as outlined in Criteria #1 of WP:NACTOR). Maybe someday she'll meet these requirements as an actress, but it seems WP:TOOSOON right now. --My Pants Metal (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep or Merge (see update comment below): Cartoons can be "notable films" in some circumstances, and voice actors are just as apt to be notable for their work as screen actors. The policy here is WP:GNG, which supercedes NACTOR, which is an SNG -- an guideline that is helpful, but not exclusive. Montanabw^(talk) 05:57, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with everything you've written about notability. Cartoons can be notable films. Voice actors are as apt to be notable as screen actors. Even if a subject does not meet an SNG, GNG is still in play and someone who meets GNG does not have to meet any particular SNG. But the article cites no reliable sources, and I can find none. How does this subject meet GNG if we can find no reliable sources? David in DC (talk) 14:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: Sam Sailor has found and inserted a source for a couple of facts in the article, in the Berkeley Beacon, the newspaper at the subject's university. I've dug up a primary source for the CARE award, which doesn't really appear to be very exclusive. The subject was one of 125 CARE Awardees in 2005. I still don't see WP:SIGCOV in multiple, independent reliable sources. David in DC (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• • Your position is reasonable and adding the WP:BEFORE research helps. I think that we have a highly subjective standard for "significant" coverage, though I think that reliable sourcing is met by newspapers and other press. "Independent" is also one of those rather fuzzy terms. While I agree that imdb is not RS, I think TV Guide is. This is a borderline case and isn't a hill I want to die on, but I think that young voice actors should be given a very thorough looking over before deletion. While people dislike the OTHERSTUFF arguments, this standard of an industry award and a few roles is routinely grounds for !keep votes in those pornstar articles, so I would hope that we give people who work on children's cartoon much more respect and an equal standard to the "other end of the spectrum" industry. Given that these articles tagged by WP:WOMEN are being AfDd or prodded at the rate of about one a day, it is not feasible for me to review all of them; it needs to be a team effort. Montanabw^(talk) 20:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. As an actor/voice actor Henry has had the role of Elena in the Lilo & Stitch franchise. I can't find any sources that goes into any detail about this (I have not seen the films), but if we look at the individual film articles, she's not mentioned. List of Lilo & Stitch characters sheds some light on Elena by saying in § Other characters that, Elena, Teresa, and Yuki: They are three girls that [...] usually travel in a group and seldom say anything other than a drawn-out, sarcastic "Yeah!". So, absolutely minor voice role. Her participation in The Benchwarmers, which premiered in April 2006, when she was 9, is supposedly what she is best know for. The Berkeley Beacon source I added confirms this. But is it true? I would not exactly assume BB qualifies as a thoroughbred reliable source. Henry does, in the film, not get poster credit, in fact the role of Gretchen is so far down the cast list editors here have not included her name in the article. Could that be a mistake? I doubt it. I can't find any other reliable source that goes into any detail about her in this film. Anybody else can? So, I think it's fluff, and I can't dig up anything to support her meeting WP:NACTOR currently. Staying within the subject-specific notability guideline, we turn to WP:ANYBIO, but the CARE Award by the BizParentz Foundation is not notable, and there may be good reasons for that. WP:BASIC, or GNG if you wish, could save her, but I can't find the sources to get us there. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: It might be worth merging some content to Lilo & Stitch (franchise) or a similar article. WP:BEFORE encourages merges, particularly where the title is a plausible search term, and also, leaving redlinks just invites the article to be recreated; a blue link preserves article history but limits re-creation until there is enough content to justify a spinoff from the parent article. Montanabw^(talk) 03:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as I'm not entirely convinced by the merging as this, somehow and anyhow, regardless, would still have this vulnerable to restarting, and there's still nothing at all nearly convincing for a substantially independent article. SwisterTwister talk 05:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - voice actress for a recurring character on a beloved children's animated film franchise. Bearian (talk) 00:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep or Merge, Montanabw has made a good case for keeping the article or merging the information. I completely agree. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:52, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment @Montanabw, Bearian, and Megalibrarygirl: Can any sources be found and added? Sam Sailor ^Talk! 06:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are too many of these for me to care about all of them. My take is that if someone else cares, great. If not, a merge as I indicated above is my preferred solution. Redlinks just invite another round of the same. Montanabw^(talk) 19:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• • • Montanabw is right: a redlink makes people want to fill it in. A redirect tends to discourage that. I'd look for sources, but I'm vacation at the moment and doing minimal research. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm not a fan of the franchise, but I am aware that she played a recurring character's voice in all three films. Bearian (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete it would be great to keep this article in Wikipedia but I don't find the sources in general sweeps such as this one. Voice-actors don't tend to get enough ink in the media, in my view, but the GNG is the GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Sorry, but this falls short of GNG by a wide margin. Voice actors are often notable btw (particularly in the context of Japan), but they usually have more sources or they have voiced major character in multiple notable productions. I tend to consider voice actors equivalent to actors so WP:ENT is applicable. However, roles voiced are not major roles so I don't think this will pass WP:ENT. Overall I'm going for a delete as this is WP:TOOSOON. As for the merge/redirect, in this particular case I do not favour such an option. We usually do that when a subject has received significant coverage but only for a single event or if the subject is unambigoiusly associated with something. This is not the case here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as sources haven't been presented showing notability. I don't see where a merge or redirect would be useful. Henry has been involved in more than just Lilo and Stitch, so we shouldn't pigeonhole someone searching for her into just one part of her career. Search results will work better here, and it will show all articles where her name is mentioned, such as Mulan II. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.